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02-14-2019, 03:40 PM
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Guru
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They should have asked our Gurus for advice
(Ottawa) Canada's 227 million dollar fleet of Hero Class CG cutters (137' long, 23' beam) roll "like crazy" making crews seasick and keeping the boats in port during weather conditions in which they should be able to operate.-CBC News reported.
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02-14-2019, 03:57 PM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
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Must be full displacement. Now if they were a bit flatter at the stern....
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02-14-2019, 04:26 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Did they name them Hero Class because you have to be heroic to get underway on them?
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02-14-2019, 04:48 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
Must be full displacement. Now if they were a bit flatter at the stern....
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they would most likely still be full displacement.
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02-14-2019, 05:03 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
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What's the source of your information...got a link?
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02-14-2019, 05:04 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
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I Googled your text and nothing came up...
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02-14-2019, 05:15 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Westerly, RI
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Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,162
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MurrayM
What's the source of your information...got a link?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...seas-1.5009312
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02-14-2019, 05:15 PM
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Guru
City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
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02-14-2019, 05:22 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
. At issue is the lack of stabilizer fins — blades that stick out from the hull to counteract the rolling motion of waves — on nine Hero class ships that were built by the Irving Shipyard in Halifax between 2010 and 2014.
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Taken them a while to address the issue.
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02-14-2019, 05:45 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 5,946
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrew
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Quote:
...stabilizers should never have been removed from the original design.
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Bean counters trying to save money should stay out of the way
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02-15-2019, 07:00 PM
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Guru
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Chump change compared to what the USCG p......d away in Deepwater operation.
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02-16-2019, 12:16 AM
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Guru
City: New Orleans
Vessel Name: Panache
Vessel Model: Viking 43 Double Cabin '76
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,253
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Might be an opportunity for a couple of big Seakeepers per boat. At a couple of hundred thousand each (+ install) and no vanes.
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02-16-2019, 05:09 AM
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Dauntless Award
City: Wrangell, Alaska
Vessel Name: Dauntless
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 - 148
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,820
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I think there is far more to the story.
It's not "new" news.
And I wonder if it relates to a generation that doesn't like any discomfort?
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02-16-2019, 05:57 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,155
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ancora
Chump change compared to what the USCG p......d away in Deepwater operation.
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Maybe because the whole Deepwater concept was founded in letting "private enterprise" determine what and design what the USCG needed leading into this century.
So maybe who says "private business can do it better"....?
The USCG has had its share of rolly poly cutter too....
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02-16-2019, 09:57 AM
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Guru
City: North Vancouver
Vessel Name: Phoenix Hunter
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 (1985)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,877
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Murray: I believe the “Captain Goddard” is one of those vessels.
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02-16-2019, 10:13 AM
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Grand Vizier
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 3,816
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Since the vessel has a top speed of 1.8x hull speed, it's clearly a full displacement hull, since FD hulls are also SD, but can also plane. Or so I am assured.
Seriously, what did they expect the roll to be like on a really narrow, shallow draft hull without stabilization?
"More than a year later, in May 2018, Wyse relayed an unidentified at-sea testimonial: "I'm rolling 15 degrees port and starboard (30 degrees total) out here today and the winds are less than 10 knots and seas are less than one metre. We need to make this platform more workable."
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02-16-2019, 10:21 AM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 5,946
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My wife and I sea kayaked into Klemtu, BC (in late November 28 years ago) where we had to wait five days for a hurricane force storm to play itself out. There was a new Coast Guard vessel there that went out into Finlayson Channel during the storm. Talking to the crew dockside afterwards made us happy we weren't aboard! Seems to be an ongoing issue.
edit: Avatar photo is Canoona Falls taken on that trip which is romping away after weeks of rain.
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02-16-2019, 11:08 AM
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Grand Vizier
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 3,816
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Maybe because the whole Deepwater concept was founded in letting "private enterprise" determine what and design what the USCG needed leading into this century.
So maybe who says "private business can do it better"....?
The USCG has had its share of rolly poly cutter too....
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Not sure what the alternative to private business building this stuff would be, since every weapons system we've deployed since the 18th century has been built by private enterprise.
The Deepwater project was a cock up because the Coast Guard lacked the personnel, expertise and time to review, understand, and approve any design tweaks from what they initially approved. This made it possible for bad design, corruption, etc. to screw the program up.
A good book I just finished on how private enterprise made winning WW2 possible is "Freedom's Forge". Once the government got out of the way, companies like GM, Ford, etc. started pumping out so much war material that Japan and Germany were doomed. I believe the record Kaiser set for getting a liberty ship from drawing board to water was just over 4 days. NYC is still trying to finish the 911 memorial.
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02-16-2019, 07:31 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Texas
Vessel Name: Miss Adventure
Vessel Model: DeFever 49 CMY
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 64
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It would be interesting (to me anyway) to see the stability booklet for one of this class of cutter as well as what was written in the spec for stability requirements.
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