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06-11-2020, 11:50 PM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Thank you thank you thanks!
Please, I'm more interested with the problems you see in the photos. More important, problems with the items listed below.
I blew off the boat with the Volvo engines and bought this one instead. I'm only including engine and electronics information & photos. Why? Cause I dont know ZILTCH about them. This is where I need the pros and cons. I get a kick out of 450 gallons of fuel in the tank.
Listing: 1987 42' CHB 42' Ponderosa Tri-Cabin (US$79,000)
URL: https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/198...cabin-3680644/
Any positive or negatives? Does anyone in the PNW know my broker Robert Fiala? Highly recommended.
PLUS I'VE NEVER OWNED A DINGHY BEFORE. IS THERE A DINGHY OWNERS CLUB, (did I spell it right)? Can I place my wife on it, turn it on, point it out to sea and remove the on / off switch?
$77,000, (did I get ripped off)?
Hi Brian,
Pleasure meeting you.
Below please find the requested.
Thank you.
Robert Fiala
1987 CHB Ponderosa 42' "Dream Too"
Highlights:
- [ ] Added bow thruster-2015
Garmin electronics-2018 & Garmin depth 2019
- [ ] New galley fridge(2017), new hot water heater2018, new macerate pump(2019, water pump 2015,
- [ ] March 2019-Kevin Ambrose services main, gearbox & genset
- [ ] bed squeaks with two people on it
- [ ] New starting batteries in 2013
- [ ] New genset battery 2016
- [ ] New house batteries 2016
- [ ] New anchor chain(120’)and rode(300’)2016
- [ ] 3,100 hours mains
- [ ] 450 gallons of fuel out of 500 gallons
- [ ] 2,298 hours on genset
- [ ] Last bottom paint-8.2019 CSR
- [ ] ZINCS-8.2019
- [ ] Varnish cap & hand rails done - April 2019
- [ ] 11’ Novurania 2000/2001 Honda 20hp outboard
- [ ] Diesel furnace & electric heat
Reliable Cummins 6BT5.9M 210hp mains @ 2,600 RPM, Twin Disc MG506 gearboxes, Northern Lights 8kW genset with sound shield, Sidepower electric bow thruster(2015), MasterVolt MASS 24/50 & ProMariner ProSport 12 battery chargers, Dyno batteries(2013/2016), Nav system including Garmin electronics(2018/2019), Pioneer DEH-P6700MP CD receiver with MP3/WMA playback, Espar D8LC forced air heat diesel furnace climate system, Electric heat, Raritan 172011 20 Gallon hot water heater(2018), 44lb Plow anchor, 120' chain with 300' rode(2016)Seawise davit system and Novurania 320TR tender with Honda 20hp outboard.
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06-12-2020, 12:16 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Well time will tell if you got a good boat, but as to the engines I would take the 5.9s any day over the Volvos. Much better engine and support. Congrats!
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06-12-2020, 12:29 AM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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The other boat had dual Volvos, ( this only one engine). And I know that many here prefer dual motors.
But am I wrong to think one engine is less maintenance than two? Plus I save on yearly oil changes? If it breaks down, can't my wife tug me with my Dinghy, (wait that doesn't sound right)...
And if it ever needs "jumping" I'll only need one set of jumper cables not two, (saved about $12 dollars).
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06-12-2020, 01:04 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 565
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Looks nice! Just three comments:
1. The start battery is getting pretty old
2. Your anchor looks a tad undersized and it’s a plow- I use a 66# Spade anchor on my 42 foot boat.
3. Your wife called, she asked if it was practical to booby trap the engine room!!
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06-12-2020, 01:20 AM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Thanks spinner. The word "genset" is used a few times, (battery ... gearbox). What's genset mean, (keep the giggles to yourself, I'm clueless)..
And Spinner, My wife knows better. I don't go anywhere near anything that requires tools. And she laughs whenever I pick up a screwdriver, (so I won't be going anywhere near the engine).
If she booby trapped the beer cooler, I'm doomed.
More negatives gang, where did I go wrong. If you feel anything listed is a problem, now's the time to let me know, (I know it's pretty).
How much does a new starter battery cost? A bigger anchor?
I already know I'm screwed with my lack of mechanical skills. And I just bought the most labor intensive item on the planet.... A boat.
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06-12-2020, 01:49 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 565
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Hi Ducatihottie, the answers are ....it depends!
Seriously though, find out what kind of battery is used for starting your engine? There may be more than one. Once you know that, you can check with a marine supplier or auto parts store. It should be a starter type battery, not deep cycle.
If you have been following this forum for any length of time, you will know that there are as many opinions on anchors as there are members! However, my 66# galvanized Spade anchor cost me about $900, including shipping, two years ago. A quick check on the Spade Anchor USA website shows the current price is $1175
Best of luck!
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06-12-2020, 01:51 AM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,293
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
The other boat had dual Volvos, ( this only one engine). And I know that many here prefer dual motors.
But am I wrong to think one engine is less maintenance than two? Plus I save on yearly oil changes? If it breaks down, can't my wife tug me with my Dinghy, (wait that doesn't sound right)...
And if it ever needs "jumping" I'll only need one set of jumper cables not two, (saved about $12 dollars).
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Congratulations, looks nice. Advert says "mains" and "gearboxes" but it`s a single + bowthruster. I suggest not "picking the granulation" off the old "single vs twins" debate ; expect you will have it surveyed and, if all goes well, get some handling tuition to get things started if you need it.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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06-12-2020, 02:13 AM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Thanks Bruce, will this warning help?
Heryyeee Heryeee, Please don't let me start a war "OR" extended debates or anything. Like what's better,
one engine or two engines, (OR ANYTHING "TOM BRADY"). I bought the boat and there's no return policy like Nordstrom's, (trust me, search "Nordstrom's used tire").
Now back to the regularly scheduled post, "Problems with my boat please".
And whose going to be blunt and say I got ripped off spending $77,000 on a 1987 CHB 42' Ponderosa Tri-Cabin? I appreciate honesty and you'll become my best friend, (right behind, "Popcorn" my Bichon Frise, K?).
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06-12-2020, 04:16 AM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Should I be concerned about the squicky bed listed. He said it's fine if we don't rock the boat.
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06-12-2020, 05:57 AM
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Guru
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,741
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Congrats on the new acquisition. I’d seriously consider hiring a knowledgeable pro (or three) to walk down the boat with you and get a basic understanding of all the systems. Take lots of pictures and keep a voice recorder running. The info will be invaluable as you grow into the boat.
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06-12-2020, 08:06 AM
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Guru
City: Looking
Vessel Name: --
Vessel Model: Between boats
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,190
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Quote:
Originally Posted by angus99
Congrats on the new acquisition. I’d seriously consider hiring a knowledgeable pro (or three) to walk down the boat with you and get a basic understanding of all the systems. Take lots of pictures and keep a voice recorder running. The info will be invaluable as you grow into the boat.
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This.
In your situation, you probably can't spend too much money on this. It will be the best value-for-$$ you spend over the entire lifetime of the boat.
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06-12-2020, 08:52 AM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,541
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Greetings,
Mr. D. Congrat's, as well. In addition to having recorded information, as mentioned by Mr. 99, start making some lists. Not necessarily "to do" lists but rather "what's going on" lists.
How to set up and adjust AC/heat, what breakers/switches do what, what spares are on board and what to buy (eventually), locker/drawer contents etc.
"To do" lists will generate themselves.
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RTF
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06-12-2020, 08:52 AM
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,977
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
The other boat had dual Volvos, ( this only one engine). And I know that many here prefer dual motors.
But am I wrong to think one engine is less maintenance than two? Plus I save on yearly oil changes? If it breaks down, can't my wife tug me with my Dinghy, (wait that doesn't sound right)...
And if it ever needs "jumping" I'll only need one set of jumper cables not two, (saved about $12 dollars).
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Since you would likely only jump start one engine at a time, you would not have needed two sets of cables.
As to turns out, securing the dinghy to the stern and pushing is better that towing. That way you can lash the OB motor in place and used the big boat's rudder to steer for longer passages. Wifey can thus stay aboard to annoy you about having bought a single engine boat.
Better yet, pay Tow BoatUS their annual premium and keep the dink aboard. I experienced my first ever tow from them a couple years back when a cooling hose blew on my single engine boat. I never lost an engine on my twin-engine boat; go figure. I also never had towing insurance with that boat either. So you see, an annual oil change for an extra engine is less than towing insurance. Yep, you screwed up alright.
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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06-12-2020, 09:22 AM
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Guru
City: Tampa, FL
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 670
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
$77,000, (did I get ripped off)?
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My one comment is about this particular question.
Don't even ask. You already bought the boat, so it doesn't matter at this point. If the answer happens to be "yes," you don't want to know. Just be happy with your purchase and move forward.
Good luck.
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06-12-2020, 09:44 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denverd0n
My one comment is about this particular question.
Don't even ask. You already bought the boat, so it doesn't matter at this point. If the answer happens to be "yes," you don't want to know. Just be happy with your purchase and move forward.
Good luck.
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+1, be happy, you got a new boat. A genset is a generator.
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06-12-2020, 10:49 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,656
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Your cost of an oil change will be related more closely to the total hp than to whether it is single or twin. I just went through buying oil and oil filters for both my 400hp Cummins in the Motorhome and a pair of 200hp Volvos in the boat. Total cost for filters was exactly the same, total cost of oil was exactly the same. Same goes for water pump impellers and fuel filter elements as the bigger engine wants bigger everything.
Your anchor is just fine.
Though the plow is not a sexy newer design, it is "tried and true" and works well in both the PNW and BC waters. 44# is adequate for your 42. I have a heavier boat and my 44# CQR has never failed me.
Don't go making changes to your new boat for at least a year. In that time you will find out what works for you and what doesn't.
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06-12-2020, 11:04 AM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Sandpiper
Vessel Model: Bluewater 40 Pilothouse Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,315
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Quote:
Originally Posted by koliver
Don't go making changes to your new boat for at least a year. In that time you will find out what works for you and what doesn't.
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Best advice to follow.
Too many new boaters start changing or modifying too many things on a recently acquired boat and get overwhelmed, bogged down and/or exceed budget without putting some miles on it first.
Learn the boat, learn to drive it and have some fun first before pulling out the credit card.
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06-12-2020, 11:14 AM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Sandpiper
Vessel Model: Bluewater 40 Pilothouse Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,315
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
But am I wrong to think one engine is less maintenance than two? Plus I save on yearly oil changes? If it breaks down, can't my wife tug me with my Dinghy, (wait that doesn't sound right)...
And if it ever needs "jumping" I'll only need one set of jumper cables not two, (saved about $12 dollars).
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A single engine is less expensive to maintain especially since you will be hiring people to service and maintain your boat. Start adding up a second oil, filters, impeller change, two alternators, starters, transmissions, oil coolers, heat exchangers, on and on.
With a single engine, maintenance is done proactively before a breakdown. I have a schedule for either replacing or rebuilding starters, alternators, injectors, pumps, transmission etc before failure, which would be twice the cost on twins.
That is a nice boat that appears to have been cared for. If you are OK with the price, then you got a good deal. Market values are determined by what someone is willing to pay for a boat, house and other used items. Without inspecting the boat throughly, no one will be able to assess it's value. The survey should have a value of the boat.
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06-12-2020, 11:20 AM
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Member
City: Cataumet, Cape Cod MA
Vessel Name: Paumanok
Vessel Model: Albin 34 Fast Trawler
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 18
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We have the Cummins 6BT 5.9 210hp (turbo) engine with 2100 hr on it. We've been satisfied with its reliability over the last 11 years. We have a Group 31 for starting it and it catches with one crank, every time. That'll you'll need
Marcy Albin 34
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06-12-2020, 11:43 AM
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Guru
City: Los Angeles
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,487
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Just one question: Where do you stow the Ducati?
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