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Old 03-14-2023, 02:34 PM   #1
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Any negatives of a sundeck trawler design in the 40' range?
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Old 03-14-2023, 03:15 PM   #2
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Yes. There are negatives and positives for every boat design.
Since you asked about negatives, here are a couple that are negative to ME.
You can't walk around the entire boat to handle lines. This was important to us, that's why we bought a trunk cabin style.
Sundeck boats also have limited visibility when backing into a slip. That's another reason the WE did not want a sundeck style.
Also they have more windage, another negative to ME.
And yes I know there are some work-arounds for those, but positives and negatives are more of a personal choice.
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Old 03-14-2023, 03:37 PM   #3
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I lived on a Uniflite 42 ACMY (aft cabin motoryacht - same layout as a Sundeck trawler). I'd say the biggest drawbacks are simply getting on and off the boat. Bringing groceries aboard. On/off dinghy. And of course docking - can be a bit challenging to get a mate on the dock.

Not sure where you're located, but if your area have fixed fingers, might be easier as they tend to be pretty high compared to floating docks.

I'll add that as nice as the aft deck is, it always felt a bit detached from the water. I've been a sedan guy ever since.

Lot of benefits. You just have to decide if the tradeoff makes sense. Lot of nice interior living space in a Sundeck.

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I lived on a Uniflite 42 ACMY (aft cabin motoryacht - same layout as a Sundeck trawler). I'd say the biggest drawbacks are simply getting on and off the boat. Bringing groceries aboard. On/off dinghy. And of course docking - can be a bit challenging to get a mate on the dock.

Not sure where you're located, but if your area have fixed fingers, might be easier as they tend to be pretty high compared to floating docks.

I'll add that as nice as the aft deck is, it always felt a bit detached from the water. I've been a sedan guy ever since.

Lot of benefits. You just have to decide if the tradeoff makes sense. Lot of nice interior living space in a Sundeck.

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I think that about sums it up. The side deck layout forward of the raised aft deck will be a big factor in how easy the boat is to get on/off. This is also mitigated in a trunk cabin design where you can walk around the aft cabin, although any non-cockpit design can still require steps if you're at a very low dock.

But any design without a cockpit is going to involve a ladder for access to the swim platform, so you lose that as an easy boarding option (and it can make getting people, dogs, stuff, etc. in/out of a dinghy more challenging).
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Our last boat was a sundeck. We loved sitting on the sundeck, hreat view lines. It was taller than a cockpit but every but each boat has advantages and disadvantages. You just have to find one that works for you.
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Well the limited access is a big issue to me and glad I asked.
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Old 03-14-2023, 05:34 PM   #7
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Mine's a sundeck too. We love the back deck and the aft stateroom is a little larger than a trunk cabin type. But we do need to climb a ladder or steps to board no matter how we're tied up. There's no gate in the side deck rails and even if there were it's still too high to comfortably step up from a low dock.
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You want a sundeck with aft cockpit....like this...safe, easy access to floating docks and dinghy, plus all the other benefits. More photos of this one in the For Sale section (Ocean Alexander 440). Do the reverse loop back to Jacksonville. Clean, low hours Great Lakes boat. (Price negotiable)

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Good call on the aft cockpit variation. Here's a Defever 44+5 Cockpit Motoryacht. Full displacement, twin engine, very liveable. Nice boat. Great example of an accessible "Sundeck" trawler. Usually stabilized too!

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[QUOTE=mvweebles;1160844]Good call on the aft cockpit variation. Here's a Defever 44+5 Cockpit Motoryacht. Full displacement, twin engine, very liveable. Nice boat. Great example of an accessible "Sundeck" trawler. Usually stabilized too!

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looks nice and ...............out of my price range
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There are some other, cheaper boats with a similar layout. Often sold as "cockpit motoryacht". Only a few are down in the 40 foot range though, many are in the mid 40s.
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There are some other, cheaper boats with a similar layout. Often sold as "cockpit motoryacht". Only a few are down in the 40 foot range though, many are in the mid 40s.
Yea, mine's 41 feet. Another 3 or 4 would have made room for a cockpit.
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Old 03-14-2023, 07:39 PM   #13
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I guess we have a "Sundeck" although it's officially a "flush aft deck"



It's a favorite place on the boat. Has a big bimini over it and is the perfect platform for loading supplies onto the boat. You stand on the dock and load the stuff onto the deck which is about chest high from the dock. Pretty easy, just slide under the rails. Four steps up to the flybridge, 4 steps down to the saloon, 3 steps down to the forward deck.

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I guess we have a "Sundeck" although it's officially a "flush aft deck"

I think the difference between a sundeck or the Grand Banks "motoryacht" style vs a true flushdeck is the steps down to the side decks. A true flushdeck (think Hatteras 53 MY) has the full width aft cabin, but it's a level walk forward onto the side decks.
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Old 03-14-2023, 09:02 PM   #15
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TFers previously asked about getting a large dog on and off. A crane was the answer.
Riviera built a 40ft sundeck with molded steps set into the transom "climbing wall". Worked well, did not detract from the aft cabin, but I doubt there are many/any over there. Maybe someone copied it.
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I totally agree with the negative comments about a sundeck cruiser. Another is if you plan on doing a lot of fishing, or scuba diving, it's more difficult with a sundeck.
That being said, our boat is similar to a sundeck cruiser, in that the aft deck is raised about 5' off the water line. However, having a large swimstep (ours is 4') mitigates a lot of the negatives.

Several advantages we've noted, one of which is pretty obvious, is that the aft cabin is huge, and full beam! Great for a liveaboard.
The second real advantage we've discovered, we found out by chance last year in our trip to SE Alaska. When others in the anchorage were getting eaten alive on deck by the noseeums, we weren't bothered at all. My take is that the Noseeums tend to hug closer to the water, and with the deck being 5' out of the water, they didn't come up that high, but I may be wrong. We were in the same anchorage, same distance from shore, pretty much same everything, except for "altitude" above the water, and the other two boats were getting eaten alive, and we weren't bothered at all! Also, we tended to have a little more breeze than the lower cockpit boats.

Either way, if all other things were equal, being a sundeck or not would not decide me for or against a particular boat. Best of luck in your search!
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Hi Don. If you are planning on doing the loop or lots of locking a sundeck style without a cockpit can be problematic. Going down in a lock your grab points will be close to water level so the dock hand will have to climb down the ladder and hang on to ??? to reach out and down and wrestle the boat to the lock cable or tie point. Also the rear dock cleat may be hard to access if it is obstructed by the sundecks surround. Manageable for the young , nimble and strong. I envy the large rear cabin and deck they create but the full walk around was our compromise for locking safety. I agree that a sundeck with aft cockpit or Grand Banks style works. You will also see swim platforms with a safety rail around the corners that might suit you. Paul
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We have a Heritage East Sundeck Trawler 36 and love it. There are molded steps instead of ladders and we can walk all the way around the boat. We love the design. We navigate from the flybridge helm and have drinks and meals frequently on the sundeck. It's our "entertaining" space unless it's cold or rainy.
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Well the limited access is a big issue to me and glad I asked.
I don't see any issues with getting aboard or limited access on our sundeck trawler. Handling the lines is easy for me but I don't have any canvass except in the flybridge.

We have cabin access on both sides of the boat which makes groceries etc pretty easy.

The first thing is just to go look at boats! Some down galleys are great, some are like caves. I can easily walk around our boat but others that look the same even from only 50 ft have much narrower side decks making getting fore and aft more difficult - but the interior is bigger.

Just go look and see what you like
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I think the difference between a sundeck or the Grand Banks "motoryacht" style vs a true flushdeck is the steps down to the side decks. A true flushdeck (think Hatteras 53 MY) has the full width aft cabin, but it's a level walk forward onto the side decks.
Yeah, We've got 3 steps down to the side decks and the aft deck is a good 6 feet above the waterline.

Four steps down to the saloon, four steps up to the flybridge. From the saloon it's 4 steps down to the forward cabins and 4 steps down to the Captain's quarters.

You never have to do more than 4 steps anywhere -
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