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Old 10-17-2018, 07:25 PM   #41
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Good to hear. I was in Lynn Haven Monday. Pictures don't even begin to show the level of damage.
We get an idea from photos and videos and if we've been there before we have a pretty good idea, but until you stand in the middle of it with those whose homes they are, you don't really see it.

Rockport was my first to go to post hurricane. One picture that will always stick with me and it definitely wasn't the worst, but two young girls with us saw it first. There was a 17 year old girl standing in a pile of wood and debris that had been her home, picking up and throwing boards and cursing at the top of her lungs with each one. I think in some ways she was expressing what others were suppressing. So many show sadness, but it's just a cover for anger. Juanita had lost her mom in the Dallas area two to three years earlier, moved to Rockport with her father who was in oil and she rarely saw, and then taken care of him through a long illness and lost him about 6 weeks before Harvey struck. Her entire world had crumbled. She was alone and left with a pile of debris.

There are so many left like that, some alone, some with families. It's not the physical damage that is so tragic but the human toll. You go there and you see it and you feel so helpless. You might help just a little but you can't make things right again. Some are partially covered by insurance and some get FEMA aid and some are completely devastated.

You try to remain strong while around them but when you get alone at night, you cry for them. I'm sure other natural disasters like the west coast fires are much the same.

Juanita is fine today by the way. We brought her home with us and she moved in with friends of ours in Jupiter, finished high school there and has shocked even herself, not a college freshman. We're so proud of her and happy for her, but we also realize that she was just one person and a fortunate one.

Hundreds of thousands will suffer from PTSD and the vast majority of them will get no treatment for it. Most may work their way through it alone or with family, Some never recover and are haunted by it the rest of their lives, especially young children.

I have no answers and still can't fully appreciate it, having not suffered such losses personally. I don't know how it feels to be terrified you're about to die or to lose everything you have, and those who lose most are those who have the least.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:27 PM   #42
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A hurricane is called a tropical cyclone for a reason. It's one huge twister combined with a wall of water.


Hurricanes contain multiple "twisters" or tornadoes. Harvey hit us with at least two dozen tornadoes embedded.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:09 AM   #43
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Heard from my Uncle via text today finally. House was untouched, but lost the pool enclosure. They have water and electricity, but Verizon still out. He had a boat at Pirate Cove, very likely lost as the buildings were decimated. I think they were very fortunate overall. Aunt across town also came through with no damage to the house. Again, very fortunate. Iíll be interested in hearing whether the sphincter swelling was more significant than the wind speed when we get to finally speak.
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We get an idea from photos and videos and if we've been there before we have a pretty good idea, but until you stand in the middle of it with those whose homes they are, you don't really see it.

Rockport was my first to go to post hurricane. One picture that will always stick with me and it definitely wasn't the worst, but two young girls with us saw it first. There was a 17 year old girl standing in a pile of wood and debris that had been her home, picking up and throwing boards and cursing at the top of her lungs with each one. I think in some ways she was expressing what others were suppressing. So many show sadness, but it's just a cover for anger. Juanita had lost her mom in the Dallas area two to three years earlier, moved to Rockport with her father who was in oil and she rarely saw, and then taken care of him through a long illness and lost him about 6 weeks before Harvey struck. Her entire world had crumbled. She was alone and left with a pile of debris.

There are so many left like that, some alone, some with families. It's not the physical damage that is so tragic but the human toll. You go there and you see it and you feel so helpless. You might help just a little but you can't make things right again. Some are partially covered by insurance and some get FEMA aid and some are completely devastated.

You try to remain strong while around them but when you get alone at night, you cry for them. I'm sure other natural disasters like the west coast fires are much the same.

Juanita is fine today by the way. We brought her home with us and she moved in with friends of ours in Jupiter, finished high school there and has shocked even herself, not a college freshman. We're so proud of her and happy for her, but we also realize that she was just one person and a fortunate one.

Hundreds of thousands will suffer from PTSD and the vast majority of them will get no treatment for it. Most may work their way through it alone or with family, Some never recover and are haunted by it the rest of their lives, especially young children.

I have no answers and still can't fully appreciate it, having not suffered such losses personally. I don't know how it feels to be terrified you're about to die or to lose everything you have, and those who lose most are those who have the least.
Glad to hear things are working out for her. I spent 2 months working in Houston area after Harvey. It was heart breaking to see house after house with all there belongings piled up curbside. It was hard to fathom the amount of water it took to flood the amount of area it did. We had stuff are far south as Galveston and north of humble. And east to the la border.
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Old 10-18-2018, 10:21 AM   #45
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Glad to hear things are working out for her. I spent 2 months working in Houston area after Harvey. It was heart breaking to see house after house with all there belongings piled up curbside. It was hard to fathom the amount of water it took to flood the amount of area it did. We had stuff are far south as Galveston and north of humble. And east to the la border.
Harvey was interesting in that there were two very different situations, the Houston area hit by floods and the coastal area hit by winds. Houston area largely uninsured. Coastal area mostly insured and uniquely through Texas Windstorm Insurance Association which set up quickly to handle claims.

You mention belongings piled up curbside. One of the saddest circumstances was to see those who had lost parents, or even worse children, to death previously and all photos of them were destroyed.

Then there are issues like schools and many who missed months. Puerto Rican kids missing up to a year of school. Mexico Beach to be determined. Poor areas with not the greatest educational systems to start with and the kids put further behind their peers elsewhere. Even with Juanita, we dealt with needing a transcript from a school that wasn't open.
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Old 10-20-2018, 07:28 PM   #46
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A floating dock seems like a good idea until the storm surge exceeds the height of the piling.

My boat is at St. Andrews marina, which has floating docks. That marina - and a lot of the boats there - incurred significant damage. But almost all of the boats there are still floating. The damage was not nearly as bad as the two other marinas in the immediate vicinity (Panama City downtown, and Sun Harbor), which have fixed docks. I wrote my boat off as a goner when we left town before the storm hit and was amazed that it survived relatively undamaged. But I did have some hope that the floating docks would hold up.
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I am glad your boat 'survived relatively undamaged'.
I am in Aventura and 3 or 4 of the fixed docks were damaged to the point that the concrete docks needed repair and they still are in need of repair. It takes forever to get contract finalized. To add a bit of humor, if we are lucky, the repairs will be completed before the next hurricane season starts.
They destruction is the result of boats not being tied correctly. I say this because boats on one side of the dock were undamaged and the boat on the opposite side were tied loosely allowing them to repeatedly hit the concrete dock, finger pier.
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:31 AM   #48
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I can't believe I said OPAL. I was here for that one too. Oh well. I lived through both.
Hose dry, boat afloat was my standard reply where I was able to get any connections in the days immediately after this monster.
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Old 10-21-2018, 11:34 AM   #49
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The tree branches pushing the boat down into the water have been removed. Total damage is VHF antenna and cracked weather cover for the rooftop AC. As you can see, the decision to move the boat was sound.
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It is sad to see the dock and hoist in that condition, but, it is good to hear you all, the house and boat made it through OK.Do you have electricity yet or a generator?
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Rgano Glad to hear you made it through ok!
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Old 10-23-2018, 12:14 PM   #52
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Was running 4500- and 6500-Watt units, 12 hourson and 12 off until last night when we got power back. Got water two days before that. 12 days without a hot shower. Yuck. Boat still stuck behind fallen trees. Plan is to tow it to clear water, dive the prop and take her home to the one clear wet slip I have left.
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We looked at a several South Louisiana boats while boat searching and saw a couple that had much higher hours on the gennie than on the mains - realized that the PO's used the gen after several hurricanes in the past - makes perfect sense!
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We looked at a several South Louisiana boats while boat searching and saw a couple that had much higher hours on the gennie than on the mains - realized that the PO's used the gen after several hurricanes in the past - makes perfect sense!
Gensets generally have higher hours than mains... people run them at night when sleeping... when at anchor... etc
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