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03-30-2017, 08:55 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
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Janice,
First of all the CQR anchor has an extensive rep for not setting. Secondly the CQR sets on it's side so holding the shank down should have given the this anchor it's best chance of setting.
I thought you had a Rocna? You'd be better off w a 15lb Rocna.
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North Western Washington State USA
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03-30-2017, 08:56 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benthic2
Can I ask a question for the all chain guys ? Doesn't the catenary act as a shock absorber so you don't need a snubber ? I would think that unless the pull on the boat was so much that the rode was a straight line which would only happen in an extreme situation.....is a snubber necessary ?
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Qualified yes.
The catenary lifts off of the bottom in the puffs. That provides shock absorption. However, where I boat, the bottom is usually very hard, so whenever the chain drags along the bottom, the chain transmits that dragging noise right to the rigid hull of my boat, and that noise can be quite loud and very annoying. So I use a snubber to provide a soft break in the transmission of noises from the bottom to my bed.
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03-31-2017, 01:32 PM
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City: Madeira Beach, FL
Vessel Name: Seaweed
Vessel Model: Schucker mini-trawler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Janice,
First of all the CQR anchor has an extensive rep for not setting. Secondly the CQR sets on it's side so holding the shank down should have given the this anchor it's best chance of setting.
I thought you had a Rocna? You'd be better off w a 15lb Rocna.
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I did not have a CQR . Mine was a Davis plow anchor. The company's claim to fame according to their website ages ago was that they were standard equipment on certain new boats.
Currently I'm using the 33 pound Rocna. My next anchor on the bow of Seaweed will be a Mantus45. Dragging is not an option.
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03-31-2017, 02:35 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
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Hi Janice,
The Davis may be the best "plow" out there. I have read anchor tests that included the Davis "Tallon" I belive. The Rocna is super as long as you've got swinging room. If your Rocna dragged you were probably at short scope ... the only thing they are'nt reall good at. The Supreme is much better at that. Re the Mantus it's not much different than the Rocna. Look at Steve's (Panope) anchor setting vids. Thinking of that the only failing of the Supreme is it likes salad. The kind of salad one finds on the seafloor. And usually that can be avoided by finding deeper water. In all of the PNW I've hardly ever brought up much salad. But in Florida and shallow water you may have plenty.
What's your engine status now?
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North Western Washington State USA
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04-02-2017, 03:54 AM
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Guru
City: Madeira Beach, FL
Vessel Name: Seaweed
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Thanks... Betsy the engine in Seaweed is terrific. We went over to McDonald's on Friday for a parfait and hot coffee. Skipper likes creamer and I let her have one.
Publix is a wonderful Florida based grocery store that is near the dinghy dock at McDonald's so I went in there too.
It is so beyond terrific to have a reliable engine. I'm running on my starboard fuel tank as I have an issue with the vent line on the port tank. I still haven't addressed that. It's on the list.
I love my boat!
It is such a blessing to be able to go at a moment's notice. Actually from decision to underway takes less than ten minutes and that includes making a cuppa tea. This is a wonderful life. You have no idea how grateful I am for the blessings.
J.
The Rocna held me a-okay during tropical storm Isaac. I've considered a larger anchor in case I have a boat rafted up to me....I'm sort of betwixt and between though in that it would probably be smarter to go with a fortress or Danforth anchor as I'm already carrying two plows.
33 pound Rocna is my primary
16 pound hydrobubble is my stop anchor in the cockpit
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04-08-2017, 08:16 AM
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City: Hernando Beach
Vessel Model: Seaway
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Mantus 45
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My next anchor on the bow of Seaweed will be a Mantus45. Dragging is not an option.
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- Janice
Dragging is not an option! Thank you very much for the recommendation, Janice. I am guessing that Seaweed's weight is similar to Mariso's, and we live in the same cruising grounds. What size and how much chain to nylon would you recommend with a Mantus 45?
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04-08-2017, 09:07 AM
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City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
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Whichever way you go, I'd suggest having a riding sail at the ready for the aft of your vessel. My hunch is the bow of your boat combined with its relative lightness means it will swing quite a bit at anchor.
Our boat tends to swing wildly at anchor in a stiff wind with 30' of chain and nylon rode. The boat will 'bounce back' on the nylon rode after it stretches. The bow will then fall off the wind in the opposite direction and off you'll go till the rode is stretched out, then the boat falls off the other way on the bounce back. Repeat.
This puts the most acute force on the anchor not in a direct line straight down wind, but about 10 degrees (?) to either side as it gets jerked at the end of each swing.
This is in anchorages with little fetch and small waves...adding the forces of hitting a wave crest while at the end of a swing would be huge.
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04-08-2017, 09:35 AM
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City: Hernando Beach
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Most thought-provoking comment, Murray! I am so accustomed to SW Floriduh weather, where 95% of the time the wind dies down at night, I have been primarily concerned with tidal changes as I ponder our anchor. Just discussed your comment with Hubby Dan, and he and I both agreed that if there is a nighttime blow in the forecast, it would be best to head for a marina.
Here is something interesting, we were told that our boat would come equipped with a Danforth, but I just noticed that in my photos it is actually a Delta. Why do so many boat builders go with Delta? (she said grumpily...)
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04-08-2017, 10:41 AM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
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Miz Trom,
It's not a Claw or a Danforth but still inexpensive.
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North Western Washington State USA
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04-08-2017, 01:53 PM
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City: Hernando Beach
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Not the Stella Polaris
Steve's (Panope) incredible anchoring videos illustrate for me what concerns me most: what happens with a well-set anchor when the tide reverses. His genius in doing the **180 degree RESET test, after initial set test** type of trials is something no anchor manufacturer has ever shown on their website videos to the best of my knowledge.
Based on Steve's testing, I had just about decided to go with an Excel or a Spade. Then Janice recommended the Mantus 45, obviously wanting more weight for holding her boat in place, and she lives on the hook. So I am researching the Mantus, even though Steve thought the shank of the Mantus was a little "weak looking." It certainly performed well in his tests. But hey, if Janice recommends it, that changes my perspective.
Deep into the planning stages for our half-Loop trip, many of the anchorages on the Atlantic side of the ICW look spectacular, and I know the tidal range and intensity increases in magnitude the further we travel up the coast. (Quite a bit more magnitude than what we experience here on the lower Gulf coast.) I wish Steve had owned a Delta to add to his tests, because I've seen widely varied opinions on the Delta anchor here on TF, and I recall a small pile of no-longer-wanted Deltas at my family's marina. Mostly donated by sailboaters, but there was no new-anchor consensus among them.
I know I'm not talking about anchoring the Stella Polaris here, but...
Are there any other small boat owners besides Janice, who spend time on the hook, willing to tell me what their anchor is and how they like it, and their proportion of chain to nylon (and the size of both)? I'd really like to get this purchase as close to optimum as possible before we embark upon our trip.
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Each anchoring is a single event, with many variables, wind, current, bottom, scope,anchor type, etc, it is hard to analyse what leads to successful or failed sets, but the result of a failed set while you are asleep should encourage any thinking boater to to get it as right as it can be. - BruceK on yet another TF anchoring thread
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04-08-2017, 02:14 PM
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City: Ft Pierce
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While I respect Steves videos, in years of using a 60 pound Manson Supreme over12,000 cruising miles I have never had an issue with reversing currents or shifting winds in thunderstorms.
Some upwards of 2 knots...most boaters exaggerate current..... 2 knots is the highest daily normal, not storm, current in many anchorages from NJ to FL.
If it were more than 2 knots, I would have to ask why anchor there?
I suspect other reputable anchors don't have issues either.
Not that the test videos were faulty, just that Steve did his best to make them worst case scenarios.
I trust my home to my anchor, I was convinced it was inferior, I would change in a second.
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04-08-2017, 05:25 PM
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Guru
City: Madeira Beach, FL
Vessel Name: Seaweed
Vessel Model: Schucker mini-trawler
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Miz Trom... Thank you for the confidence however I believe I am not the best choice for anchor advice for your boat. Our boats are vastly different. Yours is much larger and windage will be an issue.
To stop/abate SOMEWHAT the swing referenced above by MurrayM you might also try taking a snubber to a cleat on the windward side about 1/3'rd of the way aft. I have read (NOT experienced as my boat does not have that problem) the offset snubber helps.
Look for folks with boats such as the Manatee, Grand Harbors, Florida Bays, etc. They are "your" compatible. I'm not.
However I am a strong advocate of all chain rodes. I have 150' of G4 (the strongest chain) aboard Seaweed. That was chosen because I normally put out 50' to 75'. When I had 100' of chain it wore out (got rusty) in the middle thus I had to get replace the chain.
This time I went with 150 figuring that I can end-for-end it and still have 75' of good chain. In a deeper anchorage I'm set too. Plus, finally, I have a very limited anchor locker. 150' of chain takes less room than line thus I have the longest I can fit aboard.
My advice is all chain. Use a chain counter to know how much is out. Also paint the chain.
Measure the to the waterline, then up to the windlass drop down hole. Add 3'.
Paint that chain white. Now you will know when your chain is almost up and if the anchor has sand or mud on it you can get underway (slowly) to let it rinse off. You'll also know when your anchor is almost up.
The paint WILL wear off. Paint several coats of the white.
Happy happy for you and your new boat. You're going to have so much fun!
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04-09-2017, 05:42 AM
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#33
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"First of all the CQR anchor has an extensive rep for not setting."
Probably why they have been 1st or 2nd choice for world cruisers for over 5 -8 decades?
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04-14-2017, 01:53 PM
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#34
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
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FF,
"rep" is an abreviation for reputation. This is not my opinion as I've never used one. But many many have testified to the dragging issue while setting. From all I've heard and read though they hold well when set well. In a 50 knot gale I've only had company once and one of the two other boats had a CQR anchor deployed. He did not drag that I could tell.
Hard to set but holds well is what the winds tell me.
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North Western Washington State USA
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04-15-2017, 05:52 AM
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"But many many have testified to the dragging issue while setting"
Yes they need 20-30 ft to bury and hold, unlike a Danforth that will do it in a few ft.
Most cruisers understand the operation of their ground tackle and plan for that boat length on setting.
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