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Old 04-20-2019, 12:49 AM   #41
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And everyone who doesn’t have the same anchor as me should not own a boat.
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:18 AM   #42
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... categorizing an entire group of people, based on one criteria, ( like method of boat propulsion ) is painting with too broad a brush.
Agreed, and note I have not done so in this thread, except for one area...

That is, with first person experience, that those who are pumping sewage overboard in anchorages here are sail boaters. Again I have not said all sail boaters are doing it (though I have to assume that those who put down anchor or pick up a ball for six months without moving have to be doing something with it).

Apart from that, and back to my OP, am I a bad person for loving my creature comforts and taking pleasure in being able to have them?

I believe you will find those are the extent of my offerings on this thread, regardless of what some have chosen to put their own words to!
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:26 AM   #43
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We are planning to go out cruising again, not sure if it will be under power or sail.. mono hull or cat ( prefer a cat for the speed ) .. the goal is to just get out there.

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I would say that around 30% of the boats out here are sailing cats, maybe higher. Though I would say the majority of them motor a lot of the time.

I have been wondering where all of these cats are kept when back in the states? There aren't that many spots for them in marinas.
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:27 AM   #44
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And everyone who doesn’t have the same anchor as me should not own a boat.
Sail boaters have small anchors....
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:37 AM   #45
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Though the phone is a huge bonus if it allows you to work and be on the water!

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Old 04-20-2019, 08:51 AM   #47
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nope! Just as the person who eschews creature comforts is not a bad person, either.

It is the person who is arrogantly self-righteous of either chosen way that is annoying...
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:07 AM   #48
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Quite a number of times over the past few weeks my better half has basically stated that if we had bought a sailboat we would not be doing long trips!

Maybe fun when young, but not a way to enjoy retirement.
That’s what converted us from sail to power. I was quite happy living the minimalist sailboater lifestyle when cruising. My wife, not so much.

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Agreed, and note I have not done so in this thread, except for one area...

That is, with first person experience, that those who are pumping sewage overboard in anchorages here are sail boaters...
They may have desiccating heads.
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:43 AM   #50
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Or type 1 or 2 MSDs.


Plus, what are the legal reqirements?


Where are they and others in relation to tidal flow?
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Folks, what alerted us to it was the smell, when we went out we see a nice brown patch floating by. It was strong enough the first time that I would have suspected my holding tank vent if it wasn't for the fact that I had just replaced the filter a month ago!

As to regs. None in the Bahamas as there are no official anchorages anywhere in the islands. These example were in anchorages where people swim - in fact in Cambridge Cay (in the Exuma Land and Sea Park) there were people in the water at the time it happened. The two boats up stream from us in Cambridge had come in that morning - so if they had holding tanks could/should have emptied them while outside. It could be that they have their heads set to go straight overboard regardless of where they are.
So not illegal by any means, but certainly not appropriate or, in my opinion, acceptable.

Now Elizabeth Harbour (George Town) is another story altogether. Anywhere from 200-400 boats in there at any one time, many spending the whole winter. Quite a number of these are on balls in two hurricane holes. You can have a look at Google Maps or Earth.

Back about 7-8 years ago I believe, they decided that they needed a pump out boat as the harbour was getting polluted. So they passed a reg that no discharge in the harbour, with a fine of up to $1K. Leaflets were passed out etc.

That pump out boat stopped operating years ago, don't know if the reg is still in place but, quite frankly, I doubt it was ever enforced anyway.

So we tell our guests not to swim in the harbour.

I am sure there are plenty of other forum members who have spent time here who can chime in.
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We were anchored at Big Major’s on our last cruise and watched a 90 foot yacht blow its holding tank early one morning. I didn’t go back in the water while anchored there after that.
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Yikes. Gross.
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Old 04-21-2019, 12:37 PM   #54
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I've never been there, but I seem to recall (maybe Crusiserforum?) that is was very common in many area of the Bahamas for pleasure boats to just pump their waste overboard, hopefully with an outgoing tide.

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Old 04-21-2019, 05:30 PM   #55
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They might call it coming to the dark side, but have you been in the main cabin of the average sailboat? That is what won us over, large bright windows with endless beautiful views. Another big plus is inside steering, Looking thru the plastic dodger with wind and water everywhere gets kind of old. The air conditioning, hot showers, and queen size beds aren"t bad either. Kind of nice not opening every bridge we come to also. Sailing is fun, cruising short handed on a sailboat not so much. To each is own.
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Old 04-21-2019, 08:39 PM   #56
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JP - I agree with you 100% regarding most sailboats living areas are like dungeons. Thats why I went with a pilothouse sailboat with 360 degree views plus an inside helm. No bridges to worry about on the ocean, so a motorsailer works well for me, even shorthanded or solo.

There's a boat out there to suit everyone's tastes.
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Hi Menzies, how're ya doin, were about similar vintage, what part of Ireland are you from ?
I was skint back then and my first 'boat' was given to me by some old hands, it was a sunken dinghy in Glenarm harbour up in Co Antrim.
It was some 'craic' getting her up and fixed but it gave me the boating bug.
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It can be difficult keeping track regarding who doesn’t like who. Paddlers just paddle, and ignore the drama. A good thing.
But why do some have to paddle out in front of me in narrow channels? Not so much kayakers, but SUPs seem to be sort of tipsy: I’m always worried that one will fall off in front of me. There does not seem to be much boating knowledge beyond “I have the right of way since I am unpowered” in many of the SUP community.
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So we hung out in George Town, Exuma today, watching lots of folks on sail boats bring in their water cans to get free water from the dock faucet, their yellow Jerry cans to get diesel, and one woman on a catamaran hang her bed sheets and other laundry off the rails to dry!

I was wondering, as I just now turned on the generator, started the water-maker up, walked into the galley and turned on the full dishwasher, as Sian put a load of washing into the washing machine - does this make me a bad person?

Sounds great but how are you going to deal with any onevir more of those systems failing when you need it the most? More stuff just means more stuff to break!
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My wife and I just got to old to pull on the strings.

So we sold the SB and bought a 49' DeFever CPMY. Wow. 2 bed, 2 bath, washer/dryer, walk-in engine room, ice machine, lido deck with disco ball, stereo, and small kegs of beer stored inside.

No more living in the belly of the boat.

Now we sold the big boat (after three year great loop trip), bought a 28' Albin to run around the islands. Oh, but yeah, next year we're going back to the big boat so we can travel in greater comfort on our longer journeys. Yeah, we're even older now and need a big boat with minimal stairs and ladders, big shower (if you know what I mean), and center line bed. LOL
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