Similar Ships to LRC 58

[CruiserhHeart]

Hello everyone,



My wife and I have been sailing about a decade in either smaller cruises or 3 or 4 months or longer ones of 6+ months to 1 year. Together we have covered at least 10k nautical miles all over the USA and Western Caribbean. We currently sail on an all aluminum Ovni 37.



Unfortunately my wife has never really mastered her seasickness and we are to the point where we are looking to get out of sailing, but perhaps take up trawlering.



So far the best answer I have found to suit our needs and priorities is the LRC 58 from Artnautica. Unfortunately these boats are so new that they are beyond our budget, although I have reached out to discuss a partial build delivery.



I am writing this post because I am sure there are other boats similar to the LRC 58 out there- I just dont know them. But I know there are some very knowledgeable people here on the forum who likely do.



Can you guys give me the names of any motor vessels built in the past similar to the LRC 58's priorities of efficiency low maintenance and safety?

 

[DavidM]

I was not familiar with Artnautica boats, so I found it by Googling and when I saw the pic and specs, Steve Dashew's line of FPB slim passagemakers immediately came to mind. They look almost exactly the same.

Dashew's FPB series (don't ask me what that stands for) has a very narrow 4:1 or smaller beam, and a very efficient but fast hull. They generally cruise faster than the Artnautica as I think Steve's principle of passagemaking is to be able to get where you want to go fast but efficiently and have enough power to get out of a storm's path. The Artnautica with its 75-90 hp engine has got to be a pure displacement trawler.

But I am not sure it would deal with your wife's seasickness problem. You would need fin or gyro stabilization to do that. Don't know if the FPBs have ever been stabilized.

Here is a rather extensive TF thread on them: https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums...orum.com/forums/s3/dashew-fpb-64-a-56254.html

David

 

[Scottwb96]

Something else to consider, look for a boat that has a SeaKeeper (gyroscope) stabilization. Pretty amazing what that will do for the stability of the boat...

Good Luck!

Seakeeper | Eliminate Boat Roll and Pitch

 

[CruiserhHeart]

Thank you for your response David.



The FPB which according to Steve's blog means "F-cking power boat" are certainly the gold standard of ocean crossing world power cruisers- they are serious voyaging machines built to a construction standard that is seriously hard to find.



The FPB's I have seen are certainly fin stabilized and the 97' is fin plus gyro stabilized if I remember correctly. These incredible machines far surpass our budget and I think most peoples since they garner 2.2 million on the used market. Also 14gph is not useful to me.



The LRC58 build 5 is Gyro stabilized and LRC58 build 3 is fin stabilized. These accessories are essential for us to continue cruising- but both, especially the Gyro are install-able.



Know of any classic plastic or aluminum "long and thin" cruising boats?

 

[CruiserhHeart]

Something else to consider, look for a boat that has a SeaKeeper (gyroscope) stabilization. Pretty amazing what that will do for the stability of the boat...

Good Luck!

Seakeeper | Eliminate Boat Roll and Pitch

I previously worked as a designer and prototype specialist for a center console manufacturer and we were retrofitting our stringer inserts to support the installation of these type of gyro's.. both brands.

I can tell you based on that experience the Seakeeper is very complicated and maintenance intensive, they are also known amongst the industry as difficult to deal with and poor warranty response. The better model is the "QUICK" MC2 series made in Italy.

 

[long-cours.62]

Hello,

Joubert in 1994 designed a boat for us, she was "perfect" for our use.
Unfortunately we sold her in 2017.
I am trying to decide my wife to built a similar or near similar one ... but she say ; we are to old to built a new one :-(
here you can see our Long- cours 62
http://www.long-cours62.com/article-passagemaker-cherchez-l-erreur-77177400.html
here the "bilan" we made
Bilan - Trawler long-cours
engine and real consumption
Motorisation - Trawler long-cours
What we could do better if next one

Evolutions (faites ou à faire si N°2) - Trawler long-cours
different choice if next one
Un Compromis, oui mais lequel !? - Trawler long-cours


etc
The Quick they are cheaper than the Seakeeper ?

 

[DavidM]

I can't believe that a ten year old FPB 64 (if you could find one) wouldn't be cheaper than a new Artnautica LRC 58 with stabilization. Also its fuel economy is similar to the Artnautica: https://setsail.com/full-load-fuel-burn-and-range/. It achieves 0.8 liter/NM at 9 kts.

And AFAIK there are no other production boats similar to the Artnautica 58 than the FPB 64.

Have any Artnautica 58s been built? I have a hard time seeing a 58' boat weighing in at 14 tonnes "heavy displacement" even if it were built all out of Kevlar. Full fuel will be 7,000 lbs or about 3 tonnes.

David

 

[long-cours.62]

For the consumption our Long-Cours 62 had a very good result :


- one engine at 1400 t/mn : 6,6 nds consumption 0,61 lt/nm. 4.06 lt/hour

- one engine at 1500 t/mn : 7.0 nds 0,81 lt/nm 5.67 lt/hour

- one engine at 1600 t/mn : 7,4 nds 0,92 lt/nm 6.81 lt/hour

- one engine at 1800 t/mn : 8,3 nds 1,46 lt/nm 12.12 lt/hour

- two engine at 1780 t/mn : 8.0 nds 1,14 lt/nm 9.12 lt/hour

- two engine at 1850 t/mn : 9,80 nds 1,78 lt/nm 17.44 lt/hour






32T displacement and 18.26m wl

 

[darkside]

How about completing this one?
New Zealand dollars so around USD400k
You get the GST back when you export the boat.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/motorboats/listing/3396175789?bof=5udglpsZ

 

[CruiserhHeart]

5 LRC 58's have been built as far as I can find.



LRC 58 #3 "Britt" is about $1 million USD and currently for sale with a hydraulic engine driven stabilizer system.



A used FPB 64 on yacht world is currently asking $2.2 million USD.



The difference is quite significant and both are far more than my intended budget.



The 14 tons does not seem ridiculous to me if you look over the build photos. Aluminum is the an awesome hull material.



I specifically posted this thread asking for help identifying older model vessels with similar characteristics as the FPB and the LRC are out of my price range.

 

[rslifkin]

14 tons is 28k lbs, assuming US short tons. That's incredibly light as a dry weight for a 58 footer, and I'd say downright impossible as loaded weight. For comparison, my 38 foot fiberglass planing hull is about 27k lbs fully loaded. It's fairly heavy for a planing hull, but light compared to most SD or displacement hulls of similar size. Even in a lightweight aluminum build, I can't see how you'd manage to add 20 feet of boat plus bigger tanks and only come out 1000 lbs heavier.

 

[klee wyck]

Hello everyone,



My wife and I have been sailing about a decade in either smaller cruises or 3 or 4 months or longer ones of 6+ months to 1 year. Together we have covered at least 10k nautical miles all over the USA and Western Caribbean. We currently sail on an all aluminum Ovni 37.



Unfortunately my wife has never really mastered her seasickness and we are to the point where we are looking to get out of sailing, but perhaps take up trawlering.



So far the best answer I have found to suit our needs and priorities is the LRC 58 from Artnautica. Unfortunately these boats are so new that they are beyond our budget, although I have reached out to discuss a partial build delivery.



I am writing this post because I am sure there are other boats similar to the LRC 58 out there- I just dont know them. But I know there are some very knowledgeable people here on the forum who likely do.



Can you guys give me the names of any motor vessels built in the past similar to the LRC 58's priorities of efficiency low maintenance and safety?

The concept below is not remotely similar to the 58 LRC from a distance but if you are truly looking for 'efficiency, low maintenance, and safety' then I think it applies in spades. In addition, where the resulting motion is a serious consideration in light of your cruising partner, I might suggest superior in some ways without the need for active or passive stabilization underway or at anchor.
The two displacement hulls are designed in such a way to be capable of massive reserve buoyancy in a seaway but the resistance to roll builds slowly due to the severe angle of the hull above the water line. So, high inital stability due to the hulls being apart by 24' on center and then a very easy secondary motion as one hull dives and the other rises in seas that are not directly on the bow or stern because of the taper.
While this vessel is relatively new to me, it would be an understatement to say that I am impressed with its motion to this point.
Her 65'+ length makes pitching almost a non-issue
The other vessel I was considering at the time was a long, narrow, gyro stabilized aluminum boat. I am convinced we made the right choice.
In terms of efficiency, around 2 nmpg at 10+ knots and nearly 3nmpg at 8 knots. This on a very comfortable 65 footer! Range of 6000nm.
We certainly are not in the crowd that parts with $2 million+ for a boat ride.

 

[CruiserhHeart]

How about completing this one?
New Zealand dollars so around USD400k
You get the GST back when you export the boat.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/motorboats/listing/3396175789?bof=5udglpsZ

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Thats a beauty! I will reach out for gph/lph information and look into this.

 

[CruiserhHeart]

The concept below is not remotely similar to the 58 LRC from a distance but if you are truly looking for 'efficiency, low maintenance, and safety' then I think it applies in spades. In addition, where the resulting motion is a serious consideration in light of your cruising partner, I might suggest superior in some ways without the need for active or passive stabilization underway or at anchor.
The two displacement hulls are designed in such a way to be capable of massive reserve buoyancy in a seaway but the resistance to roll builds slowly due to the severe angle of the hull above the water line. So, high inital stability due to the hulls being apart by 24' on center and then a very easy secondary motion as one hull dives and the other rises in seas that are not directly on the bow or stern because of the taper.
While this vessel is relatively new to me, it would be an understatement to say that I am impressed with its motion to this point.
Her 65'+ length makes pitching almost a non-issue
The other vessel I was considering at the time was a long, narrow, gyro stabilized aluminum boat. I am convinced we made the right choice.
In terms of efficiency, around 2 nmpg at 10+ knots and nearly 3nmpg at 8 knots. This on a very comfortable 65 footer! Range of 6000nm.
We certainly are not in the crowd that parts with $2 million+ for a boat ride.

Bill-


What is the make and model of that powercat?? She sure seems to tick all my boxes and I am keen to learn more about her!

 

[CruiserhHeart]

For the consumption our Long-Cours 62 had a very good result :


- one engine at 1400 t/mn : 6,6 nds consumption 0,61 lt/nm. 4.06 lt/hour

- one engine at 1500 t/mn : 7.0 nds 0,81 lt/nm 5.67 lt/hour

- one engine at 1600 t/mn : 7,4 nds 0,92 lt/nm 6.81 lt/hour

- one engine at 1800 t/mn : 8,3 nds 1,46 lt/nm 12.12 lt/hour

- two engine at 1780 t/mn : 8.0 nds 1,14 lt/nm 9.12 lt/hour

- two engine at 1850 t/mn : 9,80 nds 1,78 lt/nm 17.44 lt/hour






32T displacement and 18.26m wl

You built yourself a great cruiser and with a single engine at 7.4kn you got great economy.

Was yours the only one built?

 

[klee wyck]

Bill-


What is the make and model of that powercat?? She sure seems to tick all my boxes and I am keen to learn more about her!

I suspected as much from your original post...
Unfortunately, they are not common, but they are out there if you are VERY patient.
I think only two of these were built and the model is referred to as the Malcolm Tennant 20 (meter). Malcolm Tennant is the NA, not the builder.
Just google Malcolm Tennant and start there, but do not get pigeonholed there.
There are other versions of this concept including some owned or currently being built by members of this forum. They are not mainstream and there is significant skepticism out there because of more deeply entrenched concepts in worldwide cruising. (I couldn't care less.)
This one has >55,000 nautical miles under her keel including three trans-Pacifics. It is not an unproven platform. Safe. Not generally priced with hype included, but also likely not suited for a broad cross section of the market and that will be reflected in resale.

 

[CruiserhHeart]

Bill,



I actually found the name in your signature and was able to look around a bit already. I saw a 48' on yachtworld for a very reasonable price, although it lacked the range of your 65'.

Great boat and I will spend some more time getting to know the type.

 

[klee wyck]

Bill,



I actually found the name in your signature and was able to look around a bit already. I saw a 48' on yachtworld for a very reasonable price, although it lacked the range of your 65'.

Great boat and I will spend some more time getting to know the type.

Good luck with your search.
Some useful things to keep in mind with this concept. Benefits always have a cost. In the case of DOMINO, the startling benefits are this seakeeping ability as it is related to motion and efficiency and safety and speed. That is likely due to this hull design which is sometimes called a CS hull form. The price you pay for that is loss of accommodation in the hulls due to this narrow form and over 12:1 length/beam ratio. This means that a 65 boat is largely built to suit a cruising couple with occasional guest aboard which are not requiring 'bling' and luxury. There is nothing 'bling' about DOMINO.
Also, the range comes from a combination of efficiency and fuel capacity. She can hold 2955 gallons of fuel. That fuel is in those skinny little hulls and takes up some room, room that is not in excess supply down there. I sometimes think of this vessel as a 52' boat on two 65' hulls.
You make your choices.
We love this vessel and recognize some won't. I am so impressed with the thoughtful engineering that results in what this boat does for us and our mission, but there are many different missions out there.
Important to think about what your mission is during this process.

 

[long-cours.62]

Catamaran with low consumption is the Santorini 65

Designed by Joubert / Nivelt

 

[long-cours.62]

Yes unfortunately only one, our former project was to try to made some similar ... This one was a project boat to see in real situation what it was wrong
But the consumption was really good.

 

[long-cours.62]

Nice silhouette but the price for only one hull...

 

[Mako]

OP, I can understand why sailors would be naturally drawn to these long, skinny, light sailboat-type powerboats, but they're not necessarily the best answer. Powerboats have evolved in design over the last half century for a reason and the "trawler" style of power cruiser does its job very well. Certainly a full displacement version would be advantageous over a semiD (which nearly all Taiwan trawlers are), if you can find one within your budget.

Find yourself an older LRC (Defever, Hatteras, Cheoy Lee, etc.) in the 45-48 ft range, rebuild it, and you'll likely have a vessel with more interior space, better motion even without stabilizers activated, and hopefully within your budget.

 

[CruiserhHeart]

OP, I can understand why sailors would be naturally drawn to these long, skinny, light sailboat-type powerboats, but they're not necessarily the best answer. Powerboats have evolved in design over the last half century for a reason and the "trawler" style of power cruiser does its job very well. Certainly a full displacement version would be advantageous over a semiD (which nearly all Taiwan trawlers are), if you can find one within your budget.

Find yourself an older LRC (Defever, Hatteras, Cheoy Lee, etc.) in the 45-48 ft range, rebuild it, and you'll likely have a vessel with more interior space, better motion even without stabilizers activated, and hopefully within your budget.

No thank you.

I want at least 5+nm per gallon burned.

 

[klee wyck]

No thank you.

I want at least 5+nm per gallon burned.

?....,better stick with sail! 5 nmpg in a power vessel that I would be willing to spend days, weeks, or months on is not something that I have run across. (And, I spend an insane amount of time looking at boats)

 

[Alaskaflyer]

The one-off Beebe fiberglass design builds between 50 - 55 feet such as Muirgen and Compass Rose pencil out over many miles to right around 5nmpg at 7 -7 1/2 knots or so, not counting generator use. They’re FD, weigh between 35 and 45 tons loaded and using 80HP give or take to achieve that speed.

 

[klee wyck]

The one-off Beebe fiberglass design builds between 50 - 55 feet such as Muirgen and Compass Rose pencil out over many miles to right around 5nmpg at 7 -7 1/2 knots or so, not counting generator use. They’re FD and not very light.

Yep, I expect you are right about that.
I was distracted by the long lean and fast (9-11 knots) discussion of the 58 LRC and forgot to consider 7 knots. Even Domino at 65' with twins will get near 4 nmpg at this speed, which is one click out of neutral.

 

[Mako]

The one-off Beebe fiberglass design builds between 50 - 55 feet such as Muirgen and Compass Rose pencil out over many miles to right around 5nmpg at 7 -7 1/2 knots or so, not counting generator use. They’re FD, weigh between 35 and 45 tons loaded and using 80HP give or take to achieve that speed.

That would mean they require about 30hp to achieve 7+ knots, not 80hp.

 

[klee wyck]

That would mean they require about 30hp to achieve 7+ knots, not 80hp.

Agree, and given the LWL and weight, my real guess is that the 5 nmpg thing is more likely to happen in the 5.5-6 knot range than over 7 knots.
I am not in any way qualified to make that guess though.....

 

[Alaskaflyer]

Yes, 80 isn’t right, looked at the wrong spreadsheet line, that’s for 8 knots, 0.5 knots above theoretical hull speed for this particular boat.

 

[dannc]

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So far the best answer I have found to suit our needs and priorities is the LRC 58 from Artnautica. Unfortunately these boats are so new that they are beyond our budget, although I have reached out to discuss a partial build delivery.

I am writing this post because I am sure there are other boats similar to the LRC 58 out there- I just dont know them....

For production builders that follow Dashew's and Harjamaa's design ideas, I only know of Dashew's FPB and Harjamaa LRC boats.

There are "similar" boats in size, shape and material but they are semi displacement hulls not long distance cruisers. I have looked for current or out of production boats like the LRC and FPB but can't find them. Just one offs.

The LRCs, as I am sure you know at this point, are built in the NL, Turkey and NZ though I wonder if they could be built in Canada. Having said that, I don't know if there would be a cost savings in Canada. Building in Turkey should have a cost savings.

Later,
Dan