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Old 05-27-2022, 01:50 PM   #21
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If I remember from when Wxx3 did his Atlantic crossing on Dauntless (Krogen 42) he burned less than 2 gal/hr on average (although I think he averaged less than 7 kts). I'm almost positive he made the crossing both directions without carrying extra fuel (I know he stopped in the Azores, not a non-stop crossing).

As far as fuel reserve, I think I'd want to plan no less than a 25% reserve in most cases.
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If I remember from when Wxx3 did his Atlantic crossing on Dauntless (Krogen 42) he burned less than 2 gal/hr on average (although I think he averaged less than 7 kts). I'm almost positive he made the crossing both directions without carrying extra fuel (I know he stopped in the Azores, not a non-stop crossing).
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As far as fuel reserve, I think I'd want to plan no less than a 25% reserve in most cases.
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Old 05-27-2022, 08:06 PM   #23
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With a 25% fuel reserve on a 700 gallon tank, that’s 525 gallons usable. At 2 gph, 6 kts, that’s under 1600 miles, which isn’t enough to make the crossing. IIRC, it’s somewhere just under 1800 miles for the shortest leg, but that’s from me clicking around on a map, not actual knowledge.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:46 PM   #24
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To the original poster (OP): everyone has and is entitled to their opinion but I think a common approach shared by many is to buy the boat that best fits your 99% use case. Otherwise you will likely dramatically over inflate the cost and possibly also introduce other compromises just to fill that extreme "someday I'd like too...list. example here of crossing the Atlantic. If you can get everything but that capability for x dollars you might need to spend 1.5x or more to get that capability and even so you might give up something (example less than 19 foot height needed for the great loop). The solution could be if you don't have the budget buy the "almost perfect boat" and if someday you really do want to cross the pacific pay to ship it.

Just offering another approach for your consideration. Happy hunting!
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:52 PM   #25
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…buy the boat that best fits your 99% use case.
Oh, yes, that’s my goal. I’d even be happy with 80%. As I said, I’m slowly developing a list of actual requirements, and along the way tacking on a list of “wants” and “nice to haves” and “in a perfect boat” items. We’ll buy with the short list of requirements and hope the boat comes with the others.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:58 PM   #26
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A queen size (real 60x80) was one of my must haves. Standard bedding, because I'm going to toss it before even sleeping on it. And standard bedding is much cheaper and more comfortable than having custom stuff made.
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Old 05-28-2022, 03:02 AM   #27
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Agree with a few other posts here that the Kadey Krogen 42 and the Nordhavn 46 meet many of your requirements and budget. Keep in mind there are very few KK42s out there with a midship queen. Most have a Pullman style (one person is climbing over the other) in a forward stateroom with the office/bunk cabinet at midship.

My experience in looking at many examples of these exact models two years ago is that $300K will get you a newer, top notch KK42 that’s kitted out and ready to go. The same budget will get you an N46 that needs love.

Regarding fuel burn there are a lot of KK42 owners here and elsewhere they can report actuals. Our Kadey Krogen 54 with a single CAT 3208 burns 2.5 GPH making 7.5 to 8 knots. Long crossings would be done closer to 6.5 knots. Most KK42s have a Ford Lehman 135 which has a lot of documented performance numbers.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:09 AM   #28
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With a 25% fuel reserve on a 700 gallon tank, that’s 525 gallons usable. At 2 gph, 6 kts, that’s under 1600 miles, which isn’t enough to make the crossing. IIRC, it’s somewhere just under 1800 miles for the shortest leg, but that’s from me clicking around on a map, not actual knowledge.
Except Richard on Dauntless did make it to the Azores, and back.
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Old 05-28-2022, 08:04 AM   #29
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Fuel burn is closer ro 1.5 gal/hr at 6.8kts for us. It can go up or down considerably if changing RPM. Paravanes in the water can cause a loss of .3 to .7knts depending on how hard they are working.
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Old 05-28-2022, 05:58 PM   #30
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JD, the AT34 (old style measuring) with a WWL of 32. fulfill your requirements. It is short, a bit beamy, no side walk around decks. 400gal of fuel. With careful speed and fuel management you should get over 1500 miles. But it does satisfy your other requirements AND no outside teak!!!
Good luck finding one
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JD, the AT34 (old style measuring) … Good luck finding one
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Except Richard on Dauntless did make it to the Azores, and back.
So clearly there’s something missing in the equation.
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Fuel burn is closer ro 1.5 gal/hr at 6.8kts for us.
My calculator says that’s 2380 nm range with 25% fuel reserve. Sound right?

I think I’ve found my boat, especially if we can find one with a mid-ship master (per Airstream above). Though by the time we buy, other options may present themselves (depending on the aforementioned shifting budget).
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Old 06-03-2022, 12:46 PM   #34
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You might look at a Heritage East 36. We have a walk around queen aft cabin. While there's no pilot house, we have an enclosed flybridge that is nice an toast on cold days. Not too bad on hot days with the "glass" panels unzipped and rolled up. Great views. We do all of our steering from the flybridge, although there is a 2nd helm in the salon.
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Old 06-03-2022, 12:54 PM   #35
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The “queen” bed in our Mariner 37 (today’s Helmsman 38) is a boat queen size and noticeably smaller than a “real” queen size best. No problem at all for us.

It’s also not a true walk around. You can walk around the door of the bed and maybe up 18” on each side before the “nightstand” starts. That makes for some scooting to get in or out. Far better than the alternative, but hardly a walk around.
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We have a 2004 HiStar 470 Sea Horse Trawler. Overall length is 54'; beam is 15'6"; draft 4'10". We are in our 60's and took our 1st trip from Decatur, Alabama to Marathon Keys two years ago. Flybridge, engine room, salon, 2 birth's are AC/heated. We loved being able to completely walk around the outside of our boat without the fear of falling.
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36' Grand Banks MY

This one has a queen in the back, and an oversized double (almost a queen) in the front cabin.... both have a full heads. It is a unique model...........
check it out........


It is the yacht on their front page............ https://www.swfyachts.com/


Hope this helps.........
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Old 06-03-2022, 03:00 PM   #38
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JD- there’s a Kadey Krogen Rondy going on this Sept over In Port Ludlow. This would be a great opportunity four you to see several different style KK’s. I have a 42 set up with stabilizers and other necessary cruising equipment moored fairly close to your location. I’d be more than happy to show you around, we do not have a walk around bed though!
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I see that "walk around" and smile. To me and my AT34, the bed has to be called a less than a walk around. At best each side, port and starboard 1/2 each plus the foot is 100%. The other part of the port and starboard is devoted to cabinets. Even if I removed the 2 cabinets, I couldnt get to the the head of the bed.
I dont know of anyone, with a fwd stateroom, who can honestly say they have a full walk around berth.
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