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Old 05-01-2021, 11:02 AM   #1
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Seattle Waste Spill

Another spill from the West Point treatment plant. And it hasn't been raining so they can't blame it on that.
https://komonews.com/news/local/west...of-puget-sound
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Old 05-01-2021, 01:37 PM   #2
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Here we go again. Almost certainly a single spill "event" that exceeds all the actual and potential discharge from little recreational boats for a decade. Or more. Heck, this spill probably included boat pump-out contents. Oops.
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Here we go again. Almost certainly a single spill "event" that exceeds all the actual and potential discharge from little recreational boats for a decade. Or more. Heck, this spill probably included boat pump-out contents. Oops.
What's the connection between recreational boat discharge and a sewage plant malfunction ?
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What's the connection between recreational boat discharge and a sewage plant malfunction ?
We get a ton of crap from the greenies as we are all wealthy capitalist environmental terrorists for pumping a few marine toilets while The city of socialism.. oops I meant Seattle can dump millions of raw sewage a number of times a year and nobody gets their hemp panties in a knot.

Bittersweet irony is the connection

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What's the connection between recreational boat discharge and a sewage plant malfunction ?
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Yep, what Hollywood said. I know a million threads have beaten this to death, but it's so annoying and irrational that it keeps coming up. Regulations and legislatures treat recreational boat black water like plutonium, and meanwhile large scale operations spill millions of gallons every year and those same regulators just shrug. Only boaters would google this, but okay there it is -- looks like a single "discharge" from one whale is about 50 gallons, bigger than my 40-gallon holding tank. Okay, that's a blue whale, probably not a fair comparison. Even here, the city of Sioux Falls purposely pumped over a million gallons of sewage into the Big Sioux River in 2010 -- which despite its name is not big at all, it's knee deep in most places -- and that's just one discharge. Meanwhile they nag the residents about lawn fertilizer runoff and car wash soap in the storm drain system.
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Telling people not to dump stuff is cheap. Fixing the big sources is expensive, so it's not too surprising that they go for the cheap option first.
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I think the city's discharges are accidental. For this analogy to be correct it would have to compare how a recreational boater is treated if they have an accidental discharge. To just say the government did it, so we can do it is crazy. The government killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in WWII........by your reasoning now you should be able to kill a few here and there ?
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"Millions of gallons of wastewater have been spilled at the West Point Treatment Plant over the years, leading the Suquamish Tribe to threaten a lawsuit against King County for allegedly violating clean water laws."

When the sewage plants dump sewage (even deliberately) it is only an alleged violation, but when boaters do so accidently, it is an actual violation.
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I think the city's discharges are accidental. For this analogy to be correct it would have to compare how a recreational boater is treated if they have an accidental discharge. To just say the government did it, so we can do it is crazy. The government killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in WWII........by your reasoning now you should be able to kill a few here and there ?
Yeah, so what is your point!!
I guess I am just in "one of those moods today".
In seriousness, I think the main "upset" for boaters is the fact that regularly the Government officials (both Countries) look for new regulations to put in place for "boater discharges", no matter how practical, expensive, or even sometimes next to impossible for boaters to follow, while Government run treatment plants and other Industries continue to have regular "accidents" that make boater discharges pale in comparison. That is to say nothing about all of the runoff from the land like farms, industrial sites, roads, etc. that actually make up the "lion's share" of the water pollution. They seem to take a "let's regulate the 0.001% of the problem (after all like Hollywood said all boaters are rich) and ignore 80% of the problem because it might not be popular or it might be expensive to fix.
Again, sometimes common sense is not common in the Governments.
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-- looks like a single "discharge" from one whale is about 50 gallons, bigger than my 40-gallon holding tank.
What is it's alternative other than to discharge it into the ocean?

However, I fully agree that boaters are too easy a target.
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...... and ignore 80% of the problem because it might not be popular or it might be expensive ....

From Kingcounty.gov:

"The King County Council on Tuesday approved a $65 million funding package to make critical upgrades to the West Point Wastewater Treatment Plant to prevent future bypass of untreated wastewater."

That hardly seems like they are ignoring it.
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I think the city's discharges are accidental. For this analogy to be correct it would have to compare how a recreational boater is treated if they have an accidental discharge. To just say the government did it, so we can do it is crazy. The government killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in WWII........by your reasoning now you should be able to kill a few here and there ?


I think it’s about asking the cities to live up to the same standards as boaters are.
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Like everything else, treatment plants work well, until they don't. The unfortunate part is, for whatever reason, most municipalities are reactive instead of being proactive.

If the upgrades necessary for the West Point facility are "critical", why wasn't that $65M allocated 3 or 4 years ago?
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"That hardly seems like they are ignoring it."
So "upgrades" are needed to prevent "accidental" discharges that have occurred several times in the past and they are "just getting to those now"? Like RTF says, sounds "proactive" to me.

The ignoring I was actually talking about has nothing to do with this plant, but has everything to do with the largest sources of water pollution like farm runoff (fertilizer residue), roadway runoff, etc. etc. etc. They account for the majority of the problem, not boaters!
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So what's the alternative ?

Potty train the whales ?
Shut down the farms ?
Let boaters pump their crap overboard whenever and where ever they want ?
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I'm pretty sure nobody is arguing for
"Let boaters pump their crap overboard whenever and where ever they want ?"
That is a distortion and exaggeration of the argument others are making in order to make your own stance/the city or state's stance appear more reasonable. The alternative would be to have the same rules governing discharges as the rest of the country. Or at the very least allow for treated waste (ie an approved marine sanitation device) to be discharged.
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Agree with completely let boaters discharge treated waste. I have a Lectrasan and it works fine. Where I boat in Chesapeake Bay, we can do that. The farms around the bay discharge a million fold the amount all the potential boaters ever could. Peggy said a Lectrasna nutrient value discharge is same as a couple of oak leaves.

WHERE is the common sense... get the political emotions of politicians manipulating the facts out of boat waste.
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For as many boaters that go "eewwww" and wrinkle their noses at getting their hands dirty fixing their head systems or singing the praises of composting heads, AND not really understanding the type I and II MSD argument....

Not sure even most boaters can get behind the NDZ creep argument.
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