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Old 01-22-2021, 12:57 PM   #1
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SeaPipers - Why?

I don't know what advert stuff you get here at TF, but I'm always getting adverts for SeaPipers. Now this is a trawler design I don't get. I will provide this link so you can check it out:

[Scroll down so you can see the layout of the boat]

https://www.seapiper.com/?gclid=Cj0K...gaAjfGEALw_wcB

First notice the head is forward, but to get to the head, I must go out into the wet miserable northwest weather, get rained on, to use it.

Why do I want the cockpit area in the middle of the boat?

Doesn't it strike those cheap b........ among us, that middle section is a great waste of space. If it was enclosed, I wouldn't get wet using the head. And there would be more usable interior space for off season cruising.

What say you?
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Old 01-22-2021, 01:08 PM   #2
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Agree. Looks like a "luxury work boat" to me. I would think the market for such a design would be limited. In fact, so limited, I wonder if the company will survive, as the 35 seems to be the only vessel they offer...
One plus is they claim it will not sink.
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Old 01-22-2021, 01:16 PM   #3
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One plus is they claim it will not sink

Neither would the Titanic.

And the McCormick center (Chicago) wouldn't burn down, it was made of glass and cement.
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Old 01-22-2021, 01:26 PM   #4
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Fuel sipping, huge range, shallow draft, no *bling* and a box keel with protected prop so you can let it dry when and where you want. Affordable as well.

Some people love to spend time aboard in sumptuous luxury...other people might see their boat as a means to get somewhere, then get off the boat to do stuff in otherwise inaccessible coastal areas...a base camp to further adventure.

Oh, and trailerable, which is a huge plus for expanding your cruising range!
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I’m getting to like the SP,
I don’t like the fwd visibility at speed so I probably wouldn’t buy one.

But to rsn48 one could easily and cheaply put a cover over the cockpit. And of course wear slides or slippers when on the run. And “on deck” aboard the SP dosn’t mean gulping quantities of diesel fumes.

But what I see now is amazing. AR, (Aspect Ratio). This boat is “long and narrow”. In that regard there’s nothing else like it on the market. But re small trawlers there’s nothing much else on the market either. Long and narrow means boats run at lower angles of attack. You get less drag both from the narrow beam and the running angle so the visibility issue is probably less than I perceive also. And north sea trawlers run level w no running bow high. So visibility isn’t an issue.

But to stay in the market Piper will probably offer a midships cabin soon.

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“ Oh, and trailerable, which is a huge plus for expanding your cruising range!”
Sure if you can afford a monster PU truck.
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Old 01-22-2021, 01:55 PM   #6
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The “Why” question could be asked for any boat on TF. The lucky ones for “Why” don’t own a boat.
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Old 01-22-2021, 01:58 PM   #7
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The “Why” question could be asked for any boat on TF...
Good point.

Each persons perfect boat, if such a thing even exists, is a boat with the least amount of compromises.
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I like most things about it but not the house and deck plan. If they changed that to a bit more conventional, I might have one on order. For the tropics, it may not be too bad as is, though you'd be alternately sunburnt and wet. No good at higher latitudes.

Move the pilothouse forward, extend the forward house back, it already has a small cockpit aft and would have a deck on top of the house. I would not want it any taller because:

One of the very intriguing things about the design is its trailerability without feeling like a Ranger Tug. It could be moved cheaply not just across the country but around the world. That opens up new areas far more easily than an N80. RoRo to Europe would be around $3000.
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I like most things about it but not the house and deck plan. If they changed that to a bit more conventional, I might have one on order. For the tropics, it may not be too bad as is, though you'd be alternately sunburnt and wet. No good at higher latitudes.

Move the pilothouse forward, extend the forward house back, it already has a small cockpit aft and would have a deck on top of the house.
Then it would just be another conventional boat. Yawn.

I think a lot of the people that are attracted to the Seapiper don't mind a little "foul" weather. People who hike, camp, kayak, bicycle commute, motorcycle or (gasp) sail year round.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Or maybe they just have better bladder control.
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re Sea Piper's trailerability. I wouldn't want to own a truck big enough to move it very far. I just don't have any other used for a rig that big. However I still can see it as an advantage. I live in and for the time being boat in the PNW. If I want to do more than a short charter elsewhere I face big costs having the boat moved or moving her on her own bottom. If I owned the trailer the truck could be rented and if I don't want to make the trip a driver hired and all of North America opens up to me. I might even be able to afford to have her shipped to Europe to do the canals.
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One plus is they claim it will not sink

Neither would the Titanic.

And the McCormick center (Chicago) wouldn't burn down, it was made of glass and cement.
Well... glass, concrete and steel.
But yeah, that was a real mess! It surely impacted the building codes thereafter.
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I did a lot of security management. As you can imagine multiple courses on safety. The one lecture that stuck in my mind was on the "big" disasters. I was taught when things go wrong, it usually isn't one or two things, but multiple items that come together to make the disaster scenario miserable.

So the Titanic, going too fast with lookout conditions that weren't optimal (strange reflections), with brittle metal in the hull, with bulkheads that didn't go to the deckhead in the bilges, with a constant fire that couldn't be put out in the coal, to an over confident captain, insufficient life boats, to poor access to upper deck for steerage passengers, etc.

Same with McCormick Center fire, included in the safety lecture. Water lines never properly cleared when the building was built so no water came out when needed, lots of problems that came together in a building that couldn't burn, burning down in hours. I lived and went to university in Chicago at the time of this tragedy.
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I like the boat. If I was going to buy a new boat (very doubtful), I'd certainly consider it.

A retractable bimini over the centre cockpit to provide shade would make it a great place to hang out.
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Yes I would too .. consider.
This thread is exposing the very conservative nature of TF members.
Right down the straight and narrow. Deviants need not apply.
Conventional and traditional are words to live by here.

That thing looks weird dosn’t fly.
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re Sea Piper's trailerability. I wouldn't want to own a truck big enough to move it very far. I just don't have any other used for a rig that big. However I still can see it as an advantage. I live in and for the time being boat in the PNW. If I want to do more than a short charter elsewhere I face big costs having the boat moved or moving her on her own bottom. If I owned the trailer the truck could be rented and if I don't want to make the trip a driver hired and all of North America opens up to me. I might even be able to afford to have her shipped to Europe to do the canals.
I think that this is a distinction between "trailerable" and "transportable". It's not something that is easily morphed into the marketing world, and also has different meanings depending on the individual and $$$ available.

Having just spent a week and a half of pure HELL being held hostage in a boat yard, I have a new appreciation for something that is "transportable" - not necessarily every time out.
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"Each persons perfect boat, if such a thing even exists, is a boat with the least amount of compromises."

The "perfect" boat would be a combination of all the "good" ideas and avoidance of the ugh ideas. To each his own !

Might make a good topic to kick around?
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As usual...some focus on limitations, some focus on possibilities......
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re Sea Piper's trailerability. I wouldn't want to own a truck big enough to move it very far. I just don't have any other used for a rig that big. However I still can see it as an advantage. I live in and for the time being boat in the PNW. If I want to do more than a short charter elsewhere I face big costs having the boat moved or moving her on her own bottom. If I owned the trailer the truck could be rented and if I don't want to make the trip a driver hired and all of North America opens up to me. I might even be able to afford to have her shipped to Europe to do the canals.
A Ram 3500 with a Cummins 6.7 would easily handle the Sea Piper. Alaska, BC, and WA coastal waters are quickly accessible. For fresh water jaunts to the Great Lakes, rivers or even Atlin Lake the SP could join house boats, Grady Whites and Sea Rays already there. Plus you can stay in RV parks along the way.
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A Ram 3500 with a Cummins 6.7 would easily handle the Sea Piper. Alaska, BC, and WA coastal waters are quickly accessible. For fresh water jaunts to the Great Lakes, rivers or even Atlin Lake the SP could join house boats, Grady Whites and Sea Rays already there. Plus you can stay in RV parks along the way.

Yes it can. But I don't want a vehicle that big and heavy for my daily driver and I don't want that much tied up in a truck the gets used a few times a year.
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The design definitely says "work boat" to me. I don't think I'd want one, but for someone who does a lot of fishing, diving, etc. it would probably be a good fit. I could see having a working space on deck that's not all the way aft being a nice benefit. But if you don't need the working deck, I'd say there are better layouts out there.
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