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03-03-2018, 11:33 PM
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City: Key West, FL
Vessel Name: Semper Fi
Vessel Model: 2005 Great Harbour N37
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 113
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Originally Posted by Genecop
I spoke to the designer a year ago..I may be wrong but I think the open center cockpit has something to do with the narrow beam and being able to utilize the full width in the main compartment..In order to incorporate side deck on that narrow beam you would not have anything left inside..
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You are correct sir. Here is a direct quote from Ritzo himself on the topic a couple of years ago. The intent from the beginning was to design and build a boat with an 8'6" beam and that is what drove the final configuration.
"Over the past couple of years I have also been penciling various alternative layouts with an aft cockpit within 8ft-6in beam. The main drawback of an aft cockpit is that you end up with a narrow pilothouse interior width, at least for part of it (you need side decks to have reasonable access to the foredeck).
Overall an aft cockpit in our size range brings with it design compromises that I find less appealing so at this point I am not planning on a SeaPiper version with an alternative floor plan. The 8ft-6in overall beam and the current center cockpit are important pieces of the puzzle that make it work. …And remember that the cockpit can easily be covered with a bimini type sunshade which will also keep you out of the rain."
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03-03-2018, 11:47 PM
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City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
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The aft wheelhouse makes the SeaPiper a bit like a real trawler. Only in that they also have that feature.
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03-03-2018, 11:55 PM
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City: New York
Join Date: Nov 2015
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Yea Ritzo sent me a couple of renderings with the center cockpit covered, it looked cool, also has a sweet sail plan..
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03-04-2018, 05:28 AM
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City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Genecop
I spoke to the designer a year ago..I may be wrong but I think the open center cockpit has something to do with the narrow beam and being able to utilize the full width in the main compartment..In order to incorporate side deck on that narrow beam you would not have anything left inside..
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As I mentioned before, I really hope they are successful and the concept is nice. I just think that they the design won’t get much traction in the PNW and BC which is a relatively nice market segment. It may work great for seasonal boaters however.
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03-04-2018, 06:36 AM
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City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Narrow is good for hauling on a trailer without permits and fuel efficiency. An open cockpit is nice if you're a fisherman.
A century or so ago a gas powered narrow vessel this size did a transatlantic. No TF guys around to tell them it was a bad idea. Starched shirts, ties etc, it was a real group of yachties.
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03-04-2018, 11:17 AM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser
...A century or so ago a gas powered narrow vessel this size did a transatlantic. No TF guys around to tell them it was a bad idea...
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When my wife and I sea kayaked BC's coast we met lots of boaters who filled us with stories of doom, dread, and dire life threatening hazards. We called them dock weenies.
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03-04-2018, 10:12 PM
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City: Key West, FL
Vessel Name: Semper Fi
Vessel Model: 2005 Great Harbour N37
Join Date: Nov 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser
A century or so ago a gas powered narrow vessel this size did a transatlantic. No TF guys around to tell them it was a bad idea. Starched shirts, ties etc, it was a real group of yachties.
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What a great story. I am ashamed to admit that even though I grew up in Michigan, this is the first time I have heard of this amazing voyage. Thanks for sharing
The voyage of the stalwart little ship 'Detroit' - Michigan History - The Detroit News
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03-04-2018, 10:32 PM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Originally Posted by Island Bound
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Yup - pretty hairy chested for sure 
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03-11-2018, 10:47 PM
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City: Interior Texas
Vessel Name: Ray Sea Lady
Vessel Model: Sea Ray AC
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 161
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser
Narrow is good for hauling on a trailer without permits and fuel efficiency. An open cockpit is nice if you're a fisherman.
A century or so ago a gas powered narrow vessel this size did a transatlantic. No TF guys around to tell them it was a bad idea. . .
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03-15-2018, 03:54 AM
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City: Hernando Beach
Vessel Model: Seaway
Join Date: Aug 2015
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Richard, the story of the M/V Detroit in that link you shared is amazing! Really tough on the sailors, wow, without a muffler and the decks awash.
As for the SeaPiper, I like her a lot, except for one thing (where I completely agree with Eric) and that is the forward visibility. It's a shame they couldn't have raised the aft pilothouse a foot or so to improve said visibility. But then again, as a windage and/or stability issue , I can understand why.
With that very minor criticism stated, I can't tell you how much I presently appreciate this builder's very thoughtful design process before building the SP. For a small boat, it's obvious her spatial parameters were intensely studied in order to maximize simplicity of use and maintenance. She's downright practical, and has a little more speed than the traditional heavier trawlers. It's amazing what is being done with the lighter materials these days.
The open cockpit reminds me of another trawler-style vessel I admire, the Albin 27 - which Albin later produced as a 30 - on which several hardy sailors have done the Loop and more. Unlike the Pacific NW, down here in Florida an open cockpit is a pleasure most of the year.
With such sweet classic lines (that many old salts might appreciate)and very functional 14-inch wide side decks (that many young and old salts might appreciate), I imagine that this boat will appeal to many looking for that new boat smell at a reasonable price. I can't help but wonder if sailors who have admired the 26 and 34 Nordic Tug, but couldn't afford them, will end up as happy new owners of this unique vessel.
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03-28-2018, 01:46 AM
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City: New York
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03-28-2018, 05:47 AM
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City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
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I like it although I think its more of a day boat/occasional/ overnight er than a long distance cruiser.
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03-28-2018, 02:46 PM
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City: New York
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor of Fortune
I like it although I think its more of a day boat/occasional/ overnight er than a long distance cruiser.
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I think my wife and I could do the loop on the Seapiper, but the three cats we have to bring would make it just a little to tight.....it’s amazing how much space pets require ....
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05-15-2018, 06:00 PM
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City: Dana Point
Join Date: May 2018
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No problem with forward visibility.
Pic From entry next to helm.
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05-15-2018, 06:01 PM
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City: Dana Point
Join Date: May 2018
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From helm.
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05-15-2018, 06:05 PM
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City: Dana Point
Join Date: May 2018
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A little aft of helm.
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05-17-2018, 06:37 AM
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City: Kilmarnock VA
Vessel Name: Wandering Star
Vessel Model: PSN40
Join Date: Apr 2016
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What's that power hauler thing? Is it permanently mounted?
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05-17-2018, 06:50 AM
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Senior Member
City: Baltimore, MD
Vessel Name: Starshine
Vessel Model: 1989 Bayliner 3288
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 365
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boomerang
What's that power hauler thing? Is it permanently mounted?
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https://www.discoverybaymarinegear.c...owerhauler.asp
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05-17-2018, 08:49 AM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,583
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Genecop
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Although the boat may not be for me, I would appreciate a 'walk through'.
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05-17-2018, 01:31 PM
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City: Dana Point
Join Date: May 2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boomerang
What's that power hauler thing? Is it permanently mounted?
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It's a crab pot winch. Or you could hoist a dinghy aboard. I personally think it's a useless eyesore and in the way.
Don't think anyone would use the boat for crabbing or lobster.
It's an option so just leave it off :-)
It's bolted to the inside of the hullside, but removable if you wanted.
There are several things that are funky about this boat. It's a first model so I'm sure it'll get ironed out.
I love the reasonable speed with nearly zero fuel consumption. 1800 mile range on 275 gallon tank, figuring 25 gallon reserve.
Like a sailboat, for coastal cruising you never have to worry about the fuel gauge. Not for a long time.
Fantastically economical. A utility cruiser with range and modern accommodations. Genset, hot water, diesel heater, bow thruster, inverter, propane stove and oven, electric head, 145 gallons water, radar, AIS, autopilot, loads of storage, etc etc. even a little fishing cockpit aft. Well ventilated salon. Feels like you're outside in the shade.
I'd canvas the center cockpit, with removable forward panels.
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