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Old 04-18-2018, 09:23 PM   #61
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"No question. If I was crossing oceans, I'd do it in a sailboat."

Larger sailboats are for long term distance cruising ,

as folks get older they want to go to distant shores less , and want all the comforts of a dirt house while afloat.

As we get older spending 14 hours stuffed into the roach coach , rather than 5 months sailing somewhere seems to be more popular.
What is a 'roach coach'?? a RV?
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:31 PM   #62
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I’ve been watching the Sailing LaVagabond YouTube channel for awhile now, and they are are currently sailing across the Atlantic headed towards Florida. Their new boat is a 45’ Outremer catamaran, and it sure seems fast and stable. On the last video they talk about surfing down waves at 19 knots. Is that safe? Would you be comfortable ocean cruising on a cat? Is reefing early and often even more important on a cat because of all the stress on the rig?
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:35 PM   #63
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I would not want to be in that type of water in a cat. If it goes turtle, all is over. You can knock down a monohull sailboat and it will come back up. If you roll it, you will have lost your rig, but you will still be floating.
Your boat would capsize and sink long before you ever got near "that type of water" LOL
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Old 04-19-2018, 12:09 AM   #64
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Make the choice based on what you want to do most of.
We circumnavigated a 46 ft cat and absolutely the best choice for that trip in my mind.
Sure they are fast (we surfed to 22kn so 19 is a little lame). However the best thing is how comfortable they are underway and at anchor.
We hardly stayed at marinas at all, mostly because there weren’t many, but also because we were happier anchored out.

Now we own a 36 ft fast powercat because my favourite cruising ground is 45 miles from the marina and I don’t have much spare time at present.
Next summer we will take it around New Zealand, mostly to cruise Fiordland.
It is by no means the ideal boat for that trip, but it is what we own, so off we go.

But next up in July this year we have chartered a trawler for a month out of Ketchikan for our first time in the PNW.
I’m told the boat is happiest at 7-8kn and seems by far the best choice we could get hold of for that trip.
Really getting excited about that trip.
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Old 04-19-2018, 01:36 AM   #65
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Your a little off-- "older sailors don't get fed up with motoring their sailboats---- they get fed up with being older!!!!
For us it was nothing to do with age but more the reality that a million dollars would still not get us a sailing boat with the comfort and load carrying ability we wanted as a full time lveaboard.

If the boat existed then the loads to sail it would be brutal on a couple and ongoing maintenance to stay fast would keep us poor.
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Old 04-19-2018, 05:36 AM   #66
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I'm another convert from sail to trawler. On a pretty summer's day on Nantucket Sound, I envy the sailors around me. But for live-aboard life and the ability to cruise directly to my next destination, I prefer my trawler. Plus, as has been noted, living aboard a sailboat is not unlike being confined to a fiberglass pup tent.
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Old 04-19-2018, 05:54 AM   #67
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"Would you be comfortable ocean cruising on a cat? Is reefing early and often even more important on a cat because of all the stress on the rig?"

The rig will stay up in a cat , right thru the capsize .

A cat is stable inverted .

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"What is a 'roach coach'??"


The "roach coach" is an economy tourist seat in the back of an aircraft.

Flying 10-12 hours should give 5,000 miles ,

sailing at 100-125 miles per day , 5,000miles is a lot of days!
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:17 AM   #68
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Not sure if the fuel savings is an issue for me. The several hundred thousand dollar difference in the purchase price can buy a lot of fuel. I do love sailing, but found when cruising on our past sailboats we motored a lot. However a day sail around the Bay was the best!
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:26 AM   #69
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For us it was nothing to do with age but more the reality that a million dollars would still not get us a sailing boat with the comfort and load carrying ability we wanted as a full time lveaboard.
Really?? I always thought it was the opposite. I see used sailboats as generally being cheaper than a similarly sized motor boat. It's not uncommon to see older sailboats in the 40' range for WAY under $100k.

With a million dollar budget I'd be willing to bet you'd get a NICE sailing boat. But it may be 20 or 30 years old.
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> the comfort and load carrying ability

of a nice trawler is just not available in similarly sized sailboats, have to go what almost double LOA?

And if you then look at comparable **pricing** vs condition, the bargain sailboat probably needs more $$ work, **if** you also want to actually get out there sailing as well.
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Old 04-19-2018, 11:20 AM   #71
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Really?? I always thought it was the opposite. I see used sailboats as generally being cheaper than a similarly sized motor boat. It's not uncommon to see older sailboats in the 40' range for WAY under $100k.

Think volume or capacity instead of length. A 70' sailboat might be equal in volume to a 40 trawler. (Just guessing, but you prob'ly get the point.)

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"Our solution will be to buy a day-sailer or racing dinghy to get our sailing fix. But I will never say that sailing is any less worthy a boating pursuit than trawlering." Well said. Boating offers an equal opportunity for those who enjoy being out on the water, whatever their craft.
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Three situations in which I would prefer sail:

Just out for the day enjoying the ride.
Crossing an ocean in less than a 60 foot boat
Spending years in the Eastern Caribbean where the wind is always on the beam and you cannot sell a trawler and have difficulty getting some systems repaired

Other than these I find for many if not most voyages the sailboats are motor sailing.

As to costs. If you actually travel with a sailboat the cost of replacing/maintaining the rigging and sails exceeds the cost of the diesel used by a full displacement trawler.
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Old 04-29-2018, 04:29 PM   #74
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On flat water I usually just motor. Unfortunately that is rare around here so sails make the trip much more comfortable and safe.
Racing sail boats doesn’t interest me though It would be like racing trawlers.
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Sailing is an art motor boating kind of like driving a floating truck thru nice scenery -so far---lol
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Old 04-30-2018, 07:23 AM   #76
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My sailing friends always glare at me when we are out cruising together and I am nice and dry and warm and drinking hot chocolate while they are in their foul weather gear in a cold, wet cockpit.


Well said. The exact reason we sold our 41’ sailboat and purchased our tug.
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:25 AM   #77
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Well said. The exact reason we sold our 41’ sailboat and purchased our tug.
Really? In Florida? When I was sailing there, I envied the motorboat guys sitting in their air conditioned pilothouse while I was sweating in my shorts in the cockpit....
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Old 05-01-2018, 07:31 AM   #78
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It's all "boating".
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Well said. The exact reason we sold our 41’ sailboat and purchased our tug.

Agree ... I'm an old sailor, and I suffer from cold and wet weather, therefore motorboat and get comfort and a longer season at sea. Photo last weekend on the first trip, sea +1 C ° air +3 C ° and Osprey came to nest here from South Africa (bird has a sensor), a long way to fly every year for their summer cottage.
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Sailing vs. Trawler

I sailed for 30 yrs. Had a 25, 30, 38 ft. sailboats. I love sailing. If you go anywhere, you motor or at best motor sail. You can just go out for a nice day sail.
Once I made the switch to a trawler, the first thing I noticed is we actually use the boat more. I have a friend that has a philosophy, he MUST leave the dock at least 1 time each week. That's a great idea. We actually do that with a trawler, not so much with a sail boat. Not sure why?
This si my 2nd trawler. The 1st was a 27 Ranger Tug. Great boat, just a little too small for us. Plus we have no desire to trailer the boat. Now we have a Mainship 34 Trawler. Love this boat. I plan on cruising Charlotte Harbor and really enjoying ourselves.
I am not one of those "snobby type" sailors. I know a few. Once I went over to "the dark side". we were no longer included in a lot of club events. I joined a different club, great people, sailors, fishermen, trawler people, power cats, power boats. All boaters are welcome. Much much better,
I love being out there on the water, doesn't matter how.
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