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Old 04-15-2019, 06:19 PM   #41
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Thanks for that review! I was looking at sea choice and they seemed to be pretty high quality based on reviews and their “official looking” specs.
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Old 04-19-2019, 01:04 PM   #42
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In my opinion New England Rope is the best with Sampson second. The rest is worth what you pay for it. It wonít last as long so in the end which is the better value?
You said it was your opinion, how do you know that? Do you have any facts and/or experience. I have found that many products, domestic or foreign, run the range from junk to excellent and that's my opinion based on sixty years of facts and experience on the water.
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Lol very interesting. I like the history and traditions of boat lore. Iíll pick and chose the ones I feel are important, and line vs rope, might not be one of them. But one thing that bugs me is when a boat has a male name. Thatís one that I wonít abide by!
Many ferries are named after males. Important men in the government that controls the ferries.
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You don't want to use the low to no stretch line like Spectra for anchor or mooring line. We use nylon because of its elasticity.
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Yet when it counts...say hurricane prep....break out the good stuff

Yes, the real Burbon.
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You said it was your opinion, how do you know that? Do you have any facts and/or experience. I have found that many products, domestic or foreign, run the range from junk to excellent and that's my opinion based on sixty years of facts and experience on the water.
Besides my personal opinion of using rope for 50+ years, there used to be a magazine called Power Boat Reports that was similar to Consumer Reports in that they did not take advertisements and did independent testing of boating products. They did a test on rope and came to the conclusion that NER was the best. Their tests included one where they took a sawsall and used it to run line back and forth over a hacksaw blade a specific number of times. Then they measured the % of loss of line and NER came out the best for abrasion resistance. NER apparently put some coating on the line to help with abrasion resistance. So yes I do indeed have some facts to back up my opinion.
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Yep, I installed hacksaw blades in all my hawse holes.
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FYI,
Once rope is purchased and put on a boat and assigned or put to a job like being a mooring line it becomes a line. Mooring lines, anchor lines ect. Not mooring ropes or anchor ropes.
Stowed on a boat rope is just rope.

But I donít know if itís proper to call rope in the store line. Iíd guess not but ?

Maybe that's why they're not New England Lines
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You said it was your opinion, how do you know that? Do you have any facts and/or experience. I have found that many products, domestic or foreign, run the range from junk to excellent and that's my opinion based on sixty years of facts and experience on the water.
I sold cordage for about fifty years. I was a distributor for Samson and also sold other brands. Both Samson and New England treat their ropes post production to stabilize the fibers and increase resistance to wear. There may be other rope companies out there that do this but I donít know of any.

I know that some less expensive ropes weigh less per foot than Samson or NE Ropes. They feel very soft compared to Samson and NE Ropes as well. This tells me there is less nylon in them. Their strength will fall into the lower range of what is expected from a particular size of rope. Sam and NE will be at the upper end of the range.
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All rope/line is coded with three colour strands inside of the strands.
This is for I. D. you should be able to see the strains on the outside.
if the rope is old and worn cut a pics off and you will see them.
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Thanks for that review! I was looking at sea choice and they seemed to be pretty high quality based on reviews and their ďofficial lookingĒ specs.
Sea Choice is a house brand sold by Land N Sea Distributors. They donít make anything. They just buy in bulk and re-package. It is mostly sourced overseas with price being the most important factor.
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Line is not only about specs and price...like a lot of things....


It's about how it is used, for what job, what has it been through....etc.....


1 year working in the towing and salvage business taught me more about lines than I ever picked up from sorta independent/scientific testing or my 55 years of recreational boating.


Let's say under certain conditions, cheap line chafes through in 4 hrs. And the good stuff chafes through in 8 hrs....but the storm lasts 12 hrs. Ya see where I am going????

Lots of maybes, but in reality I learned that rarely is best always the best deal, unless you are willing to make everything surrounding the product perfect too. Much of the time "good enough" IS good enough.


Heck, many boaters I know can't tie a knot properly or to a clear properly....yet they may argue about what line is better?
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Testing nylon rope

Practical Sailor magazine has extensively tested nylon rope. The best was New England !
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If your Dock queen Any rope will do. But if your a traveler only the best lines will do.
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If your Dock queen Any rope will do. But if your a traveler only the best lines will do.
Actually, I think quite the opposite. I use my junk lines while travelling as they wear faster with the crappy tie up places you sometimes wind up with. I rather trash an old line than a brand new, high quality line.



I have new, better lines aboard while cruising for emergencies, storms, andlng term docking if needed.


My home dock was WAY more exposed to wind and wave than the vast majority of marinas Ifind on the road. So that in itself shows that Ines in general should be selected for their intended use, not what's printed on the package.
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I quit using 3 strand nylon years ago. I now use only 8 strand (brait) type nylon. I have started to use dyneema 12 in places where I don't want stretch.
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TDunn,
I’m evolving toward that practice.
Will Brait take as much chaffing as 3 strand on coarse surfaces?

ORIF wrote;
“Maybe that's why they're not New England Lines”
NE makes rope for many uses. And they label it rope before it is put to use on a boat.
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This has turned into a very interesting thread, thanks.
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psneeld You may have a point. But I use high quality rope both Samson or New England for dock lines and not the Walmart special. As they wear I will use them else where. Just peace of mind at strange docks.
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If you shope around you can always get 5/8 New England Ropes for under $1/foot. Often under $.60/foot. When comparing prices, make sure you are not comparing the Defender prices.
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