Red Tide - Charlotte Harbor

[BruceK]

Man has made an awful mess of the Earth. Wish I could see it changing, but I can`t. Greed,Stupidity, Self Interest, + Increasing Population is a bad combination.

 

[FF]

"It seems we are hellbent on doing it the other way around this time."

The simple solution is old Qui Bono? Who benefits?

Or follow the money .

Our society does really well when a problem happens.

Having folks spend billions and change their lifestyle , no problem IF something happens.

A projection (all have been wrong so far , think Club of Rome 1960) that the water level in Miami might be .08 of an inch higher in 2200 AD does not cause folks to want to change.

Especially if going bankrupt is the price of change.


A thought to remember , the World did not begin the day you were born.

 

[bayview]

A thought to remember , the World did not begin the day you were born.

Nor can you control every change that happens to weather.

 

[Woodland Hills]

No one is talking about trying to control the weather, the issue is response or lack thereof to observed flooding in coastal metros. When city streets flood back up the storm drains during clear sunny days there is a problem. Where are the pumps, the sea walls or levees to keep downtowns habitable for a few more decades? Where are the revised zoning codes to elevate homes in flood plains or even ban rebuilding at taxpayer expense?

If you believe that climate change and sea level rise is a completely natural and normal process unaffected by human agency, the water is still going to come up. It does not matter what the cause is if downtown metro business districts flood every king tide today and every high tide in the future. We will either abandon our coasts to the whims of nature or do nothing until the very last minute then loudly throw money at the problem until we can guarantee that the politicians from the affected areas are re-elected.

 

[FF]

High water?

The Dutch created an answer a few centuries ago.

I do agree that the gov should be OUT of the flood (and every other) insurance game.

What ever the market charges , especially for repeat "disasters" would return rationality to the market.

There are buildings that stand in the Aleutian Islands , 150K winds , just built better.

In my "dream ideal" world the insurance company would rate the construction of your home , and you would only pay for the risk, to your home.They might even offer plans of proper construction.

Pay say 50% or 100% more on the initial build and pay 1/10 per year for insurance compared to the crap built cheapo.

To solve the Big Sugar as a bad guy problem simply repeal the swamps purchased gift of fixed US prices.

Let us consumers purchase free market sugar (and everything else) at world market prices.

 

[bayview]

Sugar, corn and many other ag products are subsidized for no identifiable reason other than they have always been.

 

[BandB]

Wifey B: Monk knew the truth.

 

[jimisbell]

Your comparison of what to do about the red tide with rescuing a disaster at sea is totally wrong. The solution to the immediate problem with a disaster at sea is totally obvious- rescue.

The solution to the red tide problem is not obvious, so understanding the cause so we can do something about those causes and prevent it from happening again is the right way to go.

Also what would you propose to do about rising sea levels that doesn't require an understanding about what is causing it?

David

But for the intellectually lazy, its easier to grab a solution, however ridiculous, and without consideration of the unintended consequences and run with it, protests, and taxes be damned.

 

[BruceK]

Let us consumers purchase free market sugar (and everything else) at world market prices.

Opposed to tariffs? The Govt won`t be happy, but you are right.

 

[FF]

"But for the intellectually lazy, its easier to grab a solution, however ridiculous, and without consideration of the unintended consequences and run with it, protests, and taxes be damned."

This mentality is how we hot stuck with Ethanol,,,remember smog and acid rain?

The sky was falling (again) so we had ethanol mandated in our fuel. "Clean Air".

Millions for car , boat and other engines to have their fuel system repaired , at our personal expense .

Now that finally the huge damage to the atmosphere is being noticed from burning food, the question is how to end the insanity. At what cost?

The states love ethanol as it reduces fuel mileage , giving a boost to taxes collected by the gallon.

We will probably return to price supports to keep grain prices up when we stop burning food.

And all those local ethanol plants , another payout?

 

[FootballFan]

Talked with a friend last night from Clearwater who is an avid fisherman, life long on the water in the area.


He said that local reports were that the Red Tide was about 10 miles out from that area, but to date had not moved up to the coast.


No interaction with coastal nutrients, yet it still formed?


The challenge I have with a lot of theories is the lack of understanding of the difference between correlation and causality.


Correlation does not provide causality.