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08-01-2020, 02:31 PM
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Guru
City: Malmö
Vessel Name: ABsolutely FABulous
Vessel Model: Greenline 33 Hybrid (2010)
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,509
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I would say, buy all - but check out Amazon used books. Even latest editions can often appear at used prices. We always go for used first, if the edition is not too far out of date.
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08-01-2020, 03:01 PM
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,179
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Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
Thanks: are any of those books you rcomend better for one boat or another? What's best for old CHBs, I'll definitely pick up a few books.
Also, I don't get my keys for another 10 days.
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Brand of boat is almost irrelevant. It's not like Mopar vs Delco - there is no engineering and design department that drives an assembly line. Your boat was built by a crew who did nothing else for about a year. Next to them was another crew who built the same (or similar) boat that was similar, but not the same (okay, probably three crews for hull, deck, interior, but point is same).
Batteries for Diesels are bigger than for cars. You will probably need a pair of group 31s at around $150/ea for each engine. Just a guess. You can wait until they die to replace. Problem is it likely won't be convenient. Get towing insurance.
Head system and electrical system are the most nuisance on older boat. Head system often has older hoses that smell and have calcium build up on inside. You will save yourself some heartache and get decent TP that dissolves in water. Triple ply Charmin and a few women aboard who haven't been briefed in the ways of a marine head will result in a long and messy day.
This forum is great for targeted questions. Seems to help to be fairly specific in your subject about what you're looking for. I've been around boats for almost 30 years and I still ping the forum with stuff I don't know or am unsure of. I invariably get several solid responses, even to gsirly advanced issues.
Welcome and good luck
Peter
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08-01-2020, 06:29 PM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Thanks got most my questions answered. It's the name brand "battery tender". Same brand as my cycles.
I'm now confused about whether to start up my boat and run it for awhile. Some say yes, but there's also a firm no.
I won't be taking my boat out regularly for at least 2 months. Plus there'll be times I'm be alone and won't take it out. And Im not certain how soon I can get captain training?
Should I start it up? How often? What RPMS? And for how long?
If I can't drive my boat, at least I can turn it on, steer, honk my horn and play captain for the girls walking by. Girls like Captains don't they?
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08-01-2020, 06:35 PM
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Scraping Paint
City: Bainbridge Island Washington
Vessel Name: Elmore
Vessel Model: 1890 Custom Tug
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
Thanks got most my questions answered.
I'm now confused about whether to start up my boat and run it for awhile. Some say yes, but there's also a firm no.
I won't be taking my boat out regularly for at least 2 months. Plus there will be times I'll be alone and won't take it out by myself.
Should I start it up? What RPMS? And for how long?
If I can't drive my boat, at least I can turn it on, steer, honk my horn and play captain for the girls walking by. Girls like Captains don't they?
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If you’re going to start it to run and splash oil and lubricate, turn it up 1000-1200 rpm, and let it run long enough to get up to temp and heat the oil up. That controls the acid build up in the oil that’s the biggest problem that comes with the ‘start it up for a few minutes’ model. I also use and recommend Lucas Oil Treatment for engines that sit a lot as it has a great film property.
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08-01-2020, 06:42 PM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Perfect. How often? Once a week.... once a month? Do you know "about" what temp? Or are all boats "temps" different. Thank you.
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08-01-2020, 06:46 PM
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Scraping Paint
City: Bainbridge Island Washington
Vessel Name: Elmore
Vessel Model: 1890 Custom Tug
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
Perfect. How often? Once a week.... once a month? Do you know "about" what temp? Or are all boats "temps" different. Thank you.
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It should make above 160° if the thermostat is working, anything above that. Sometimes you have to run it in gear to make enough heat though. Weekly doesn’t really gain you much over monthly, unless of course you’re taking it for a ride, then it buys fun.
Oh, I see you’re right across the sound...
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08-01-2020, 06:58 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,191
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If it is going to only be a month or two, I would not bother running them. My diesels don’t come up to temp until you put them under load. At the dock you can idle them for a long time and they won’t come up to temp.
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08-01-2020, 07:07 PM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Caphenning, I'll trade you moorage. I'd love to be at Bainbridge or Gig Harbor. Is that huge tug your first boat?
Thanks again ComoDave. Looks like I don't have to fire up the engine much. I do need to buy a few batteries.
Just curious, (maybe for batteries)? Does anyone know if Amazon delivers to your dock? To your boat?
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08-01-2020, 07:13 PM
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Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 21
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The engine in all likelihood won’t reach operating temperature idling at the dock. It will help it reach operating temperature if you put the boat in gear and run it above a low idle speed. Make sure that you have adequate lines and don’t wash out the bulkhead behind you if there is one.
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08-01-2020, 09:57 PM
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Guru
City: Coupeville Wa.
Vessel Name: Pacific Myst
Vessel Model: West Bay 4500
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,415
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
Caphenning, I'll trade you moorage. I'd love to be at Bainbridge or Gig Harbor. Is that huge tug your first boat?
Thanks again ComoDave. Looks like I don't have to fire up the engine much. I do need to buy a few batteries.
Just curious, (maybe for batteries)? Does anyone know if Amazon delivers to your dock? To your boat?
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If my memory serves you're at Fisherman's Terminal? Contact Dyno Battery. Manufacturer of very high quality flooded lead acid batteries.
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08-01-2020, 10:16 PM
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Scraping Paint
City: Bainbridge Island Washington
Vessel Name: Elmore
Vessel Model: 1890 Custom Tug
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 126
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
Caphenning, I'll trade you moorage. I'd love to be at Bainbridge or Gig Harbor. Is that huge tug your first boat?
Thanks again ComoDave. Looks like I don't have to fire up the engine much. I do need to buy a few batteries.
Just curious, (maybe for batteries)? Does anyone know if Amazon delivers to your dock? To your boat?
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Lol, no, I started over 35 years ago with a Catalina 27, and I’ve had a 30+ year career as a captain between then and now.
Fisheries Supply will deliver to your dock for free on orders >$100.
There is moorage available here.
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08-01-2020, 11:33 PM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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Disharp, won't be putting it in gear, lord knows how much damage I'd do.
Nice to know, ill be spending some time at fisheries Supply.
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08-03-2020, 04:40 AM
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,179
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
Perfect. How often? Once a week.... once a month? Do you know "about" what temp? Or are all boats "temps" different. Thank you.
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If you need an excuse to duck out of the house, by all means, it is critical that the engines be run once a week "Sorry honey - can't do housework today.....".
But in reality, as long as you're using the boat periodically, not really necessary. Good to check for leaks and such, but the engine is fine, especially in your climate. That said, nothing like the lope of a diesel beneath your feet to make your head right.
Peter
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08-03-2020, 05:09 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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The reason to operate the engine is to keep the cylinders and other internals from rusting ,but that is only a minor danger which 10 min of operation would solve.
Temperature is of no concern as weather the engine is cold or warm only changes its shape a bit.
What is required is a Load on the engine .
As the engine operates combustion gasses get behind the rings forcing them to seal properly , with no load the gasses have too little pressure , so the rings wont seal , leaving too much oil on the cylinder walls.
This extra oil gets into where the rings sit and burns which slowly seizes the rings .
Instead of being properly scraped the cylinders get burnished and the partially burned oil goes into the crankcase.
Takes a while but eventually the engine will burn more and more oil, and the loss of compression only comes back with taking the engine apart and honing the cylinders , or installing new ones.
"Just let it sit" is less harmful than a weekly turnover.
How long you can let it sit is covered in most repair manuals.
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08-03-2020, 08:17 AM
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Guru
City: Oconto, WI
Vessel Name: Best Alternative
Vessel Model: 36 Albin Aft Cabin
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,145
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Not good to run a diesel just because it hasn't been run in a week or a month. Take it out and run it under load. Just sitting at idle will kill it. All the trucks you see at rest stops with smoke coming from the exhaust are killing themselves. Don't do it!!
LOL, your batteries look great. Only replace them when they get dirty.. Better yet, replace them all now, you will be glad you did. They will run you a little over a hundred each.
pete
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08-04-2020, 08:05 AM
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Guru
City: Malmö
Vessel Name: ABsolutely FABulous
Vessel Model: Greenline 33 Hybrid (2010)
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,509
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Portage_Bay
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Thanks for this great tip, Portage_Bay! I went to this site to check it out, since I had never heard of it before. I thought I would open a few tabs on topics of interest to me...and before I knew it, half the day was gone. What a wealth of valuable information! I noticed that he's running "in the red" with this project, so sent the site a donation (easy to do via PayPal). I wouldn't want to see this go the way of the GB site!
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08-07-2020, 02:34 PM
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,984
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As discussed above DO NOT run your engines at idle under the false assumption that this practice is a good maintenance practice. It is absolutely BEST to get underway at cruising RPM to properly run them. That said, if you just feel you MUST run them get them started and place one in ahead gear and the other in astern gear and carefully ease them up to about 1200 RPM for a half and hour. I would not do this unless it had been a couple of months since the boat had been underway and was going to be another couple before it might be.
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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08-07-2020, 06:14 PM
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Senior Member
City: Minden, NV & California Delta
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 200
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
Disharp, won't be putting it in gear, lord knows how much damage I'd do.
Nice to know, ill be spending some time at fisheries Supply.
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If you have all lines properly tied and have your engines are at or just above idle speed you are not going to do any damage by putting you boat in gear at the dock. It's done all the time. Regards you batteries, if your boat has a good modern charger or inverter / charger your batteries will be kept in good shape but don't get caught with the false security that the batteries that started your engines right up at the dock are going to start your boat after an overnight at anchor. You should have, or if not you should install, a crossover switch that will allow you can to your house batteries to start you main engines in a emergency.
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08-07-2020, 09:14 PM
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Senior Member
City: SEATTLE
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 316
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I now have a feeling I'll have a few friends that will want to go out on the boat. So hopefully I'll get it out on the water at least once a month. This should keep the engine up and running. Some day this weekend I'm going to print up all the advice I'm getting and keep it on the boat.
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08-09-2020, 10:11 AM
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Senior Member
City: Essington, PA.
Vessel Name: Nepidae
Vessel Model: Albin 43 Sundeck
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 370
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Boat questions
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Originally Posted by Ducatihottie
For some reason I can only cut and paste the whole thing. But I only have questions about....
SORRY FOR THE CAP LETTERS, ITS TO DIFFERENTIATE, NOT TO YELL.
1. What is a macerator pump? Would my 1987 boat have had one or is this an add on?
MY MACERATOR IS ON THE TOILET, THEY USUALLY ARE. THERE IS ALSO USUALLY A VALVE WHICH IS 2 WAY THAT WILL DIRECT DISCHARGE TO A HOLDING TANK OR POSSIBLY OVERBOARD. MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN A LEGAL AREA TO DO THAT.
2. I won't be doing much cruising for about a year until I learn my boat and it's ways. How long until I HAVE TO change my bateries below. If there hooked up to a battery tender will they last longer? BTW, they look great.
GOOD TO LEARN BOAT. BATTERY TENDER IS GOOD, BETTER TO USE BATTS AND RECHARGE WITH 3 PHASE CHARGING. BATTS CAN GO TO 10YRS WITH TLC. CHECK WATER LEVEL RELIGIOUSLY, IF WET CELL, THAT WILL HELP WITH ELONGIVITY.
3. About how much will each battery cost to replace?
BATTERY COST WILL DEPEND ON WHAT YOU WILL USE THE BATTERTES FOR. START CAN BE DIFFERENT THAN HOUSE. COST WILL ALSO BE DEPENDANT ON THE CHEMISTRY. THIS IS A LONG DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER TIME.
4. What does 2298 hours on genset mean? Is mine on the new or older side?
HOURS SHOW AMOUNT OF TIME IT HAS BEEN USED. OLD VS NEW IS DEPENDENT ON GAS VS DIESEL & MAINTENANCE PERFORMED.
5. 2019 services main, gearbox & genset? What's usually done and how much would these procedures cost?
DEPENDS ON HOURLY COST CHARGED BY SERVICE PEOPLE OR IF DOING YOURSELF, COST OF PARTS, IN BOTH CASES.
AND. 6. Are there any red flags below on something I need to adress now?
Thanks all.
1987 CHB Ponderosa 42' "Dream Too"
Highlights:
- [ ] Added bow thruster-2015
Garmin electronics-2018 & Garmin depth 2019
- [ ] New galley fridge(2017), new hot water heater2018, new macerate pump(2019, water pump 2015,
- [ ] March 2019-Kevin Ambrose services main, gearbox & genset
- [ ] New starting batteries in 2013
- [ ] New genset battery 2016
- [ ] New house batteries 2016
- [ ] New anchor chain(120’)and rode(300’)2016
RODE IS THE COMBINATION OF BOTH CHAIN & LINE. DONT KNOW IF 300 IS TOTAL FT.
- [ ] 3,100 hours mains
NOT HIGH DEPENDS ON MANUF AND MAINTENANCE.
- [ ] 450 gallons of fuel out of 500 gallons
AGE OF FUEL?
- [ ] 2,298 hours on genset
- [ ] Last bottom paint-8.2019 CSR
- [ ] ZINCS-8.2019
- [ ] Varnish cap & hand rails done - April 2019
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Overall looks pretty good. If you haven't had the boat surveyed, do so.
God luck & enjoy.
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Charles Williamson
m/v Nepidae, Albin 43 Sundeck
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