Pay Back Time?

[Edelweiss]

It's a non issue in unofficial text messages or Facebook, etc. Not a big deal for that audience, but it shouldn't creep into business and professional writing.

We had an job application a few months back where the author took verbal short cuts and made grammatical errors in his application ("there" instead of they're, "steel" instead of steal, and used "OK" several times, etc.). His interview wasn't much better. I counted four times he used the non word "Irregardless" in a one hour interview.

When it's important, you need to write and speak professionally and to the level of your audience.

LB

[Art]

Me Tinks it All B OK (except in business and professional text)... So lng as wd abbrevs r kept in contxt to msg gven and gen smrts r all that's needed to undstand apprevs in said msg.

However, the moderators and big leaguers to this forum seem to avidly disagree with what I say above; as they clearly do in requested/demanded grammar portion of TF use-profile.

Personally I will continue pretty much with full words and relatively correct grammar/punctuation (I try to spell correctly too) - Now, that shows my age! Works well for me though.

If a post is too skewed (in any way, shape, or form) I simply pass it by/bye!!

I enjoy Trawler Forum!

Art

[Egregious]

Wow!
The BS is getting so deep that we need no tide table!

I like what has been said though. But if I ran aground on the amount of BS in this forum then I'd need a haul out sooner than later.

Said with bilge in mouth as usual so don't take contempt.

Woody

[Nomad Willy]

Marin wrote;

"So what's the idea here, Eric? You hoping this thread will creep around to something you're actually interested in?"

Yup .... TC can be a good thing. But it's kinda creepy.

Lots of threads here could use some TC

Actually I'll bet if we went back over many threads we may find that's a very common way the content on this forum is as interesting as it is. Look at this thread. Started out about someone gett'in waked and basically venting a bit about it so this thread has benefitted from TC. If your'e talking about some thing that's not very interesting it's prolly only natural to drift on to something better. I just wish the thread titles/names would become more informative. What's "Pay Back Time" tell you about what this thread was initially about much less what it's about now. Gives no clue to either end.

[Marin]

Originally Posted by rwidman

What's the point in posting something if people can't understand it?

They teach that stuff in school for a reason.

Yes. Like how to understand stuff.

[skipperdude]

What got me going on this is.
I hire a lot of high school kids.
I happened to notice one of the papers written as home work. There was a lot of this kind of stuff in the paper.
When I asked about it the person said. "The teacher never reads the work anyway and it is the way all the kids do it. "

I found that a sad thing.

SD

[Marin]

Originally Posted by skipperdude

The written word is becoming a lost thing in many ways.

At least let it die with dignity not hacked to pieces by lazy incompetent bums.

SD

A big part of my job is writing. I write scripts for videos that are shown to our executives, our board of directors, the CEOs and other executives of airlines, our engineers, and so on.

In my spare time, what little I have these days, I write books. So far I've had four published, seven if you count revised editions.

When I write for these audiences, I don't use "u" and "r" and all that.

But for casual writing on totally inconsequential media like Internet forums, I think keyboard shorthand is fine, particularly if one is using something that's challenging to write with fast, like a smart phone keypad.

But SD, I have some good news for you. I and my crew have international Blackberries issued by the company. So we are reachable at all times no matter where we are. As a result we spend a fair amount of time each day communicating with people in Seattle and the rest of the company. My videographer on this trip has a couple of kids-- one a sophomore in college and one a freshman in high school. According to them, "phone-speak" or whatever you want to call it, is falling out of favor. According to his kids, using it is no longer considered cool by the younger generations. It's becoming the mark of a dummy.

I haven't reached the point of using "u" and "r" and the rest of the phone-speak shorthand vocabulary when typing on the Blackberry or this iPad; I prefer to write out the words properly even though it takes a lot more time. But I can certainly appreciate the value in not having to type every letter but still have the meaning come through.

For things like Facebook, Twitter, and Internet forums, I think it's fine if a person wants to use it. I've never had any problem getting the meaning immediately and I don't find the use of phone-speak in this context at all annoying.

[skipperdude]

Woody,
Bilge in mouth.

That just cracked me up.

Thanks I needed that.

Marin and all. Sorry about that Topic creep. I had never seen the phone speak as Marin put it on this forum before. Just got me going a little.

SD

[JD]

Originally Posted by Marin

According to them, "phone-speak" or whatever you want to call it, is falling out of favor. According to his kids, using it is no longer considered cool by the younger generations. It's becoming the mark of a dummy.

Give them a hand.

[markpierce]

Well over half of my effort at work was writing. My readers included supervisors, peer reviewers, auditees, action officials, and the general public.

There are many principles of good writing: make it easy for the reader to understand your message, avoid errors as they reduce one's believability, and so on.

Writing "in code" and using long, unbroken paragraphs are just two writing practices that make me not want to read someone's message.

[OFB]

"At least let it die with dignity not hacked to pieces by lazy incompetent bums."

Unfortunatly my written and spoken word is rough. I have struggled with that all my life. The admiral always gives me a bad time for talking and writing in riddles. Just the way my head seems to work.

But I am not lazy, incompetent, or a bum. Just sayin.

TF for me is a learning place, a place to share information with others about a bunch of stuff. Entertainment for down time at work.

I realy do not like the idea that I am offending folk by the way I share information. Yet I struggle and try to adjust as I go along. Tough for the grumpyoldfishboatguy.

My point being, discounting any one that trys to be part of a comunity because they dont rise to some sort of percieved standard. Is in my opinion a little short sighted.

Not that any one realy cares or should care just a point.

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. OFB. I've never had any problems reading or interpreting your posts. You've provided valuable input unlike others who seem not to give a damn about how their copy reads. Keep posting.

[OFB]

RT

Nice to know some do get or understand my attempts

TF is kinda stuck with me till them that be turn off my access.

[skipperdude]

OFB.
It is not the contect of the post. It was just the shorthand stuff the I C U for I see you that got me going.

Your stuff is great. Keep it coming.

SD

[rwidman]

Originally Posted by Marin

I don't give a rip in hell if you read my stuff or not or if you can figure out what I say if you try to. ............

And yet you responded to me.

I haven't paid much attention to any of your writings since your post claiming that anyone who operates a boat from a flybridge is a danger to other boaters.

I don't have a problem with your writing style, grammar or spelling. It's very professional. Your real talent though, is turning nothing into a five hundred word essay. Even when you have nothing to say, you seem compelled to say it anyway, and at great length.

The point I am trying to make is, if you lack the writing skills to convey your problem or question, you are unlikely to get a useable replies. And if you lack the writing skills or are unwilling to take the time to compose a readable post, others are unlikely to believe that you put much thought into the post.

[Art]

Originally Posted by OFB

"At least let it die with dignity not hacked to pieces by lazy incompetent bums."

Unfortunatly my written and spoken word is rough. I have struggled with that all my life. The admiral always gives me a bad time for talking and writing in riddles. Just the way my head seems to work.

But I am not lazy, incompetent, or a bum. Just sayin.

TF for me is a learning place, a place to share information with others about a bunch of stuff. Entertainment for down time at work.

I realy do not like the idea that I am offending folk by the way I share information. Yet I struggle and try to adjust as I go along. Tough for the grumpyoldfishboatguy.

My point being, discounting any one that trys to be part of a comunity because they dont rise to some sort of percieved standard. Is in my opinion a little short sighted.

Not that any one realy cares or should care just a point.

OFB

You are one of the straightest shooting posters on TF.

I appreciate your input. Stick around and keep providing... Please!

Thanks, Art

[motion30]

Back on point.... should we form a posse to searchout and burn these wake making searays and sportsfish before they have the chance to leave the dock and wake again??

[bfloyd4445]

Originally Posted by motion30

Back on point.... should we form a posse to searchout and burn these wake making searays and sportsfish before they have the chance to leave the dock and wake again??

good idea!

But blast them instead of burn them. I got a stainless electric pump that ive used to save boats from sinking at the marina with more than once. Dont know what it was designed for but it has a float switch so when the pump is droped into the water it will make a soft 2 inch hose uncurl in a flash and shoot out a water jet like on a fire boat. All u need is a 115 vac 20 amp plug. We can use it to teach em a lesson and at the same time clean out our holding tanks!!

[psneeld]

Originally Posted by bfloyd4445

good idea!

But blast them instead of burn them. I got a stainless electric pump that ive used to save boats from sinking at the marina with more than once. Dont know what it was designed for but it has a float switch so when the pump is droped into the water it will make a soft 2 inch hose uncurl in a flash and shoot out a water jet like on a fire boat. All u need is a 115 vac 20 amp plug. We can use it to teach em a lesson and at the same time clean out our holding tanks!!

May wanna check the thread about boats and guns before shooting anything at another boat...

[bfloyd4445]

Originally Posted by psneeld

May wanna check the thread about boats and guns before shooting anything at another boat...

all in fun. I remember years ago some talk of an incident involving a vessel assisting another vessel regarding liability from tow line transfer. Cant remember the details but i think the court decided that if you throw the line from the assist vessel that the assist vessel then assumes responsibility for the assisted vessels safety if something were to happen while being towed.

wished it wasnt this way, why cant people just be thankful for the help. I've seen many raft up and parties in which water guns, cannons, etc. were being used by everyone and everyone was having a good time.

depressin thoughts..... sorry...LETC GO FISHIN???...maybe we can snag one of them there wakers<smile>