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Old 02-27-2021, 11:36 AM   #1
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NOAA Kicks Off Transition To Electronic Charts

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Old 02-27-2021, 02:39 PM   #2
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Nobody ever accused the Feds of operating with great haste! It's about time.

I think what it boiled down to is nobody wanted to be the one who stuck his neck out, made this decision years ago then had something go haywire. For years he'd always be known as "that guy who..."
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I remember reading how paper charts were required because certain charts were not capable of certification with lesser chartplotters....and while that was for commercial vessels, some hesitation might have happened because of recreational boating.

I guess this means no more down loads of raster charts.
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Nobody ever accused the Feds of operating with great haste! It's about time.

I think what it boiled down to is nobody wanted to be the one who stuck his neck out, made this decision years ago then had something go haywire. For years he'd always be known as "that guy who..."

Interesting background on the strategy and process! It's been in the works for a few years now.

https://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/publ...rting-plan.pdf
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Old 02-27-2021, 05:45 PM   #5
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So sad, I and others still use charts to record long passages, and where GPS is nice. What happens when you have a melt down with a fully intergrated system? Ask the navy, they are lost. They restored their celestial nav as part of their training again.

Maybe I'm old fashioned. My 2 MFD' computer systems operate independently, enabling me to pull up different charts and programmes when entering a harbour or anchorage. I also have the only intergrated which is my Furuno Radar, MFD, Echo sounder system. If all that fails I carry paper charts, which I maintain a plot during passages. I also carry sextant and tables as a last straw if all else fails. Over the years I've had a few instances in the open ocean, where things have not gone as planned. I for one would not go fully intergrated. But there again that's my choice.
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Old 02-27-2021, 06:08 PM   #6
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You can still get printed charts on demand, or chartbooks. Just not from NOAA. I like having them because of the form factor and the ease of keeping a visual log.

Commercial ships have been using ECDIS for years now by the way.

I sat in on some seminars NOAA and the USCG gave the commercial community on "Precision Navigation" a month or two ago; pretty cool. Look it up. Things like embedding real time actual water heights and currents. Perhaps not so relevant to the recreational yachtsman, but cool nonetheless.
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Wifey B: Only time we use paper is we print them out so our niece can draw where we are and have been. She's been doing that since the age of 3 or 4 and she's now 6 1/2. She really likes electronic charts though and looking at them. We'll convert her to keeping her travel history on her own laptop this summer.
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Losing the updates to the NOAA raster charts is going to make me sad. I much prefer them for planning vs any vector / ENC chart I've used.
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No reason why we shouldn't be able to print the ENCs. A vector-based image can be displayed on a screen or printed on paper, just the same as a raster image. Every time you print a document, you are printing a vector image.
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Losing the updates to the NOAA raster charts is going to make me sad. I much prefer them for planning vs any vector / ENC chart I've used.

Just curious.... is it the big printed paper you like instead of a TV screen? Or is it the "look" of a raster chart vs an ENC chart?
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I admit to liking the raster look over vector, but some vector looks are way better than others.

That is a purely "like" over practical opinion though....hard to shake after falling in love with navigation 60 years ago and staring predominantly at raster (paper version mostly) and older, crappy vector for 2 careers using maritime navigation.

I still don't get the hesitation from dumping paper...and yes I have experience in total nav loss, heck, I have started flights with no real nav to begin with.
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I still print out Raster Charts to use as art work.
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I am an electronics geek and use them a whole lot when cruising.

I like the form factor of paper, particularly of chartbooks like Maptech.

1) Daylight viewable
2) Large
3) Portable
4) Easy to annotate
5) Requires no electricity except at night.
6) Easy to manually navigate with.

The raster format is something I am used to, that's all, and brings back many happy memories.
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Well for those that plan via paper, I am sure you will still be able to get charts. I would not trust them to be accurate.

For those that still use paper do you still rely on Loran? Just say'n
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I wonder how this will affect the navigation test on the USCG Captains exam. There were several intensive paper plotting exercises requiring knowledge of hand navigation tools and chart notations.
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I wonder how this will affect the navigation test on the USCG Captains exam. There were several intensive paper plotting exercises requiring knowledge of hand navigation tools and chart notations.
If the world has gone electronic, so should the exam. Even old school problems can still be done on a computer.

If they can teach school on computers to elementary school kids, it can be done. Whether the teaching is better may be debatable but testing knowledge on a computer shouldn't be the issue.

Didn't Chapman's cut back on old school nav years ago and expand the electronics chapter?
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Just curious.... is it the big printed paper you like instead of a TV screen? Or is it the "look" of a raster chart vs an ENC chart?

It's the look and feel. I haven't used a paper chart in a while, but I use the RNCs in digital form all the time. The ability to zoom out without losing detail is nice, and I just find them easier on the eyes and easier to read than at least the NOAA ENCs. The Navionics charts are fine readability wise, but I like to have a second, different chart pulled up as well when in unfamiliar waters (usually the RNCs).
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Some time ago I down loaded all the NOAA Raster charts for the West Coast. Now I can print them out as I want. I can also print in various sizes from 8”x11” up to 8’ by 11’.
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Some time ago I down loaded all the NOAA Raster charts for the West Coast. Now I can print them out as I want. I can also print in various sizes from 8”x11” up to 8’ by 11’.
And they are also all outdated.
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Oceangrafix prints charts on demand with the latest updates. They can make them up in about any format you like. Here's a great explanation as to why the conversion of the data to ENC is no big deal really.

https://oceangrafixblog.wordpress.com/?s=raster
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