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06-06-2014, 07:09 PM
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Member
City: Pacific North Wet
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 23
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Newbie: Please let me think of this boat?
Hello All,
I have been boating for 30+ years but never had much to do with power boats. I will be moving to the Puget Sound area later this year and have decided to look at some form of power boat that will allow me to spend time around the Sound in the summer. I have sailed the Sound in the summer in years past and without fail we had to fly the "iron genny".
I have decided that if we have to power in the Summer we may as well have the benefits that a power boat offers. I have stumbled across a trawler on eBay that offers a number of things that attract me:
Reasonable purchase price
Safety in heavier conditions
Palatial accommodations (I am used to 30' sloop)
Great fuel economy
As well there are some things that concern me:
Unknown designer & yard
Engine that I am not familiar with (Cummins J70)
Use of what appears to be plumbing ABS fittings on the engine air intake
The general impression that the boat was never finished and the seller is anxious to sell....
I saw this boat offered on Craigslist before it was on eBay. It caught my attention but I dismissed it because it was to far away and in a different country. Now, with it potentially available at a significantly lower price, I am interested again.
As I am new to the trawler arena I would greatly appreciate any input.
Thanks
Steve
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06-06-2014, 07:54 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,329
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Welcome Steve. I can appreciate if you are onto a good potential deal you may not want to publish details, but with no link to the advert people may find it hard to help. Is the brand actually unknown, or just unfamiliar? Lots of Asian built trawlers had multiple IDs.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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06-06-2014, 08:01 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Unfinished boat advertised on Craigslist and Ebay and you'd be buying from another country? I have to think the only possible reason you're considering this boat is price. I'd also have to think there are reasons the prices is where it is and it's not sold even at that price. It would be one thing if you were local, could see it, get it surveyed, get a firm quote to finish it. I'm sure some probably have seen it and chosen to pass.
I just can't imagine how pursuing this boat could be a wise move on your part. Honestly I'd gamble in Vegas before gambling on this boat from what you've said.
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06-06-2014, 10:34 PM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,194
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Boat from 2012, but engine from 1959.. Might be a great engine, but dang that is old and parts likely scarce.
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06-06-2014, 10:39 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski in NC
Boat from 2012, but engine from 1959.. Might be a great engine, but dang that is old and parts likely scarce.
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What? Must be claiming refit as age. I don't care what's been done, it's year is the year built and surely they didn't put a 50+ year old engine in a new boat.
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06-06-2014, 10:56 PM
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Senior Member
City: Benicia CA
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 499
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Before buying an unseen boat, especially in another country, you may want to watch this series of videos-
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06-06-2014, 11:00 PM
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Guru
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 5,438
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Run away! And run very fast.
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06-06-2014, 11:02 PM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,194
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06-06-2014, 11:18 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski in NC
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Has to be. Couldn't possibly be two such strange items. I might play with that on a pond. But can't imagine taking that out in the ocean.
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06-06-2014, 11:21 PM
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Guru
City: Sioux Falls, South Dakota
Vessel Name: Xanadu
Vessel Model: Mainship 37 Motor Yacht
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,472
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I have noticed that very odd habit on a few sites lately - listing the refit year as the boat's year for age. Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.
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06-06-2014, 11:26 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kthoennes
I have noticed that very odd habit on a few sites lately - listing the refit year as the boat's year for age. Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion.
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Yes, I hate that, but not sure what this thing is. Homemade?
Yes, a boat is when it was built, not refit. But I'm thinking they just put this thing together.
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06-06-2014, 11:28 PM
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Guru
City: Powell River, BC
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,075
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It really is two years old. Looked at it last time I was down in the south harbour. The photos are honest.
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06-06-2014, 11:38 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Northern Spy
It really is two years old. Looked at it last time I was down in the south harbour.
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I watched them youtube around at maybe 4 mph as they say top speed is 14. I take it the galley isn't in it yet and don't know what else. A 1959 Engine just gets to me. At least it's not tilted over.......yet. Seriously, would you go out anywhere in it?
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06-07-2014, 12:03 AM
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Guru
City: Powell River, BC
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,075
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In it's defense it has 105 more successful hours then does Baden...
The lehman guys should love that engine. It really is a tractor engine.
Flipping through the sellers videos, it seems that he never saw a boat that he didn't like. No, I don't know him. Although it is a small town, maybe I do and just don't know it.
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06-07-2014, 12:29 AM
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Guru
City: Pender Harbour, BC
Vessel Name: Gwaii Haanas
Vessel Model: Custom Aluminum 52
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 3,791
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Ennos Saphire? They aren't orphans. I didn't want to sign up to look at it but you are all over-reacting. I would look to see if parts for the engine and gears are available, otherwise just do your due diligence.
Powell River is not the end of the earth (in fact the Earl's Cove to Saltery Bay ferry is about 10 minutes from here).
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06-07-2014, 12:41 AM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,194
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Yea, don't take my remarks as slamming!! An old Cummins in a good boat can certainly mean a good boat! If the boat is a good boat, a 70hp engine is not a huge part of the equation. It might be hard to get a rebuild kit for the old motor, but there is a dang good chance the motor might not need such a kit for the next 50 years. Ten year old Volvo and Yanmar engine kits can be considered unobtanium, if maybe in the financial sense...
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06-07-2014, 12:41 AM
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#17
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,186
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Northern Spy
It really is two years old. Looked at it last time I was down in the south harbour. The photos are honest.
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Fess up Spy, you finally found a home for some of your parts bin stuff.
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06-07-2014, 01:19 AM
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,323
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Steve, welcome to the forum.
I wouldn't buy it online unless you buy it subject to satisfactory survey and sea trial. The alarmists on this thread have the same amount of time aboard this vessel inspecting it as you do, none. Due diligence is always wise and has no short cuts.
I'm with Ski as far as the engine goes. It's not likely someone built a new boat only to throw a worn out engine in it. I maintain equipment at work and while some is new some is in excess of 70 years old and still working fine daily. Myself I'd have a MUCH bigger problem with it if it had a 20 year old Volvo engine. Again, due diligence and an inspection is in order.
Don't overlook any import duties that may be owed with importing this boat.
Good luck with your search.
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It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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06-07-2014, 06:28 AM
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#19
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Guru
City: Powell River, BC
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,075
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsbank
Ennos Saphire? They aren't orphans. I didn't want to sign up to look at it but you are all over-reacting. I would look to see if parts for the engine and gears are available, otherwise just do your due diligence.
Powell River is not the end of the earth (in fact the Earl's Cove to Saltery Bay ferry is about 10 minutes from here).
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It is not an Ennos Sapphire.
Powell River is 5hrs away from Vancouver by car. 20 mins by air.
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06-07-2014, 08:51 AM
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#20
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,218
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I've seen a lot worse in that price range. Although for another 5k the CHB with 46 hours might be a better deal.
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