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Old 04-25-2022, 02:58 PM   #21
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And to think I had folks give me crap for a couple zip tie's to safety the shackle pin.. All they did was keep the pin from turning. This is literally relying on the side shear of a zip tie to secure your boat. I think its nuts. When we cruised the SoPac for a few years I never lost a shackle pin zip tie once Often I would only see the fluorescent green or pink zip tie above a sandy bottom, made finding the anchor a bit easier to spot.
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Old 04-25-2022, 04:57 PM   #22
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I thought it was sunny down there. No UV zip tie destruction??
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Old 04-25-2022, 05:07 PM   #23
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Actually totally agree with heavy duty zip ties on shackles. Use a couple going around opposite ways. Unlike stainless wire a quick glance tells you if they’re broken. UV kills them in awhile but they’re cheap. Like you avoid white which I think is more UV sensitive and like bright colors. Also use them as chain markers. Even by touch in the dark you know how much is out. Don’t like ruining night vision if it can be avoided.
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Old 04-25-2022, 06:15 PM   #24
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I have used S/S tie wraps on anchor shackles before. No UV problems with them.
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Old 04-25-2022, 10:42 PM   #25
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I always favored the buoy for various reasons...but talk to someone who had their buoy run over and anchor pulled into a clusterfk often think that's the worst solution.

Many options have downsides...so roll your dice.
So true, which is why I decided on the anchor with proven tripping slot for the easy recovery of fouled anchors, and the Super Sarca never let me down on the several occasions that occurred. Simi mentioned his Manson Supreme has a similar arrangement. Sadly, that is one feature the later models like the Excel and Boss do not have.
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Old 04-29-2022, 12:43 PM   #26
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Interesting but we're happy with our method for our Mantus.
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Old 04-29-2022, 01:52 PM   #27
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I used exactly as described in reefs in the Bahamas and Florida and spent the night fishing. Never had a problem. The pull is along the shank of the anchor and not on the nylon tie wrap. Easy to break loose even in 300 feet. Never had it fail. Not positive it won’t happen in the future.
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Old 04-29-2022, 02:04 PM   #28
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I captained a dive boat in the Keys for several years and we used the zip tie method with the anchor. We used a 300 lb test zip tie and never had it fail. But, several times the anchor did get wedged in coral even though we tried very hard to only anchor in sand... when it did get wedged in, pulling up over the anchor until the rode was "up and down" then motoring forward always broke the zip tie and let us retrieve the anchor. Of course the captain was on board the boat at all times so we never left it unattended. Sure saved having to dive for the anchor occasionally!
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Old 04-29-2022, 02:23 PM   #29
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Nothing against buoyed line when expected to be needed, but a chain bridle is always handy here with enough rode to solve the issue of a stuck anchor. Made the mistake once of having bight of chain between the bow roller and the snubber looped down into the water. Winds and tides combined to scoop the bouy up unanchoring us.
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Old 04-29-2022, 04:53 PM   #30
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Bouy anchor marker

Watched a sail boat try to set an anchor with a bouy attached, got the bouy line somehow around his prop, so no prop, couldn't drop the anchor, only saved by someone throwing him a line as he drifted by on the way to the rocks.

Cluster what??....,
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So it seems to me...any anchoring situation can go wrong if one doesn't get past all the weak spots in their anchoring configuration.

As a pretty educated guy on operational risk management...it's all how one weighs the significance of certain obstacles to a successful anchoring and how one mitigates them. With many variables in anchoring, chances are there are many approaches on how to do it with none being right or wrong.
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I've used this method for fishing on wrecks. If your anchor gets stuck, pull hard enough and it trips out of the wreck. Lots of commercial fisherman use this method. Don't think it's intended for anything but short term use.
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In my opinion that is really bad advice. That zip tie will pop While trying to set the anchor and it will never hold
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In my opinion that is really bad advice. That zip tie will pop While trying to set the anchor and it will never hold
And your proven advice is solid?

I would think after hundreds of years this " myth" has been around, it would have died out much more than it has.
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And your proven advice is solid?

I would think after hundreds of years this " myth" has been around, it would have died out much more than it has.
Coming from an engineering background I see no way a zip tie Could hold anywhere near The Pull that the anchor is able to generate. But feel free to use it on your boat
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Reminds of a sailboat spinnaker prep method. Tying wool thread used for knitting around the kite as you packed so it emerged in a sausage shape. Wind broke the wool, kite opened up and set. No engineering degree required.
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After reading many comments I’m not sure some of understand what the tie wrap does. It’s purpose is to have the chain lie along the shank so all the pull is put on the attachment point on the anchor. To break it loose you motor so the chain pulls away for the shank and the anchor pops out. It’s not made to absorb a tidal change or wind shift. It’s not permanent. I have anchored with this system in 30 knot winds while fishing
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Mr Jones. I am the adjuster for LL insurance company company ,we hold your half a million dollar policy on your boat.. We hired a barge and a Crane to lift your boat off the rocks. It looks like it's totaled. But when our inspector looked at your anchor gear you had the shackle hooked to the trip attachment point not the proper location. No no I had a wire tie connecting to HT chain to the proper point... Sorry
your claim has been Denied due to negligence on your parts oh and you owe a bill of $30,000 For the barge and the Crane
No no no But I read it on the Internet that is the way to do it
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And your proven advice is solid?

I would think after hundreds of years this " myth" has been around, it would have died out much more than it has.
I donít think that zip ties have been around for hundreds of years.
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I donít think that zip ties have been around for hundreds of years.
Ya, more like 60 years
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