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02-26-2020, 09:36 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Fort St James BC
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 39
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A Monk where angels might fear to tread
If you are courageous, determined, have many skills, or are just plain foolish, here is a must-have project: A very old Monk 40' in outwardly seemingly complete condition near Vancouver BC. He wants a thousand (Canadian = one bag of wampum, two Hudson's Bay point blankets and a pemican cake) but I suspect might drop that by a grand or so.
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rch...081837342.html
It could be a beauty. Seller writes that it has "Beautiful Craftsman wood work on this interior. Lots of teak and oak woodwork"
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02-26-2020, 11:41 AM
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Guru
City: Qualicum Beach, Vancouver Island
Vessel Name: Capricorn
Vessel Model: Mariner 30 - Sedan Cruiser 1969
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,019
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If the seller gave me $400,000 I'd take it.
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02-26-2020, 12:38 PM
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Guru
City: Tri Cities, WA
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,406
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I'd take it for free if he bought me a HUGE chainsaw, some sticks and some marshmallows.
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Mike and Tina
1981 Boston Whaler 13'
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02-26-2020, 01:04 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Fort St James BC
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 39
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Looks like the old Monks have no admirers here. I've seen some neat examples of the postwar ones.
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02-26-2020, 01:56 PM
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Guru
City: Oconto, WI
Vessel Name: Best Alternative
Vessel Model: 36 Albin Aft Cabin
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,145
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Remember a month or six weeks ago some screwball was intent on restoring a big wooden boat ? He was asking all kinds of dumb questions like couldn't he just use green treated wood and stainless screws. He wouldn't give us any information on the boat or himself. We suggested he was looking at a lifelong do it your self project or about a four to six million dollar restoration if he hired it done which is kind of what he was sounding like. I wonder if this old "woodie" is part of that deal?
pete
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02-26-2020, 02:05 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Fort St James BC
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 39
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Was he Canadian? There's not many of us up here. I can ask my neighbour if he knows him.
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02-26-2020, 03:06 PM
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Guru
City: Everett, WA
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 38'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 801
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The owner is advertising it as a shed or guest cottage on land. Don't think it's being marketed as a potential seaworthy craft.
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02-26-2020, 03:19 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Fort St James BC
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 39
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He isn't, but I would have said, after browsing through a lot of the 276 pages, that Hendo's Randall 35 Cray Boat started out with no more promise, and look what he's accomplished.
https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/...alia-7653.html
I could not do it, but I admire those who can.
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02-26-2020, 03:22 PM
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Guru
City: Beaverton, Ontario
Vessel Name: Looking Glass
Vessel Model: Carver 370 Voyager
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,240
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God bless him for trying to give it another life but not likely to happen. All joking aside, what a beautiful craft it must have been in it's day!
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Allan
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02-26-2020, 05:16 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Fort St James BC
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 39
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By chance there is another one for sale. This is a 1952 in good condition for CAN$44,000, which is about US$33,000. So, infinitely cheaper than the one above, even if it were free:
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/nvn...079455395.html
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02-26-2020, 05:34 PM
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Guru
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 3,023
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I like wood boats and have one, but that boat will probably never float again. It will cost more than it's worth to move it. Depending on how long it's been out of the water and how it's blocked, the hull may be shot now. The decks and cabin probably leak.
The next owner isn't going to be a shipwright. And a good one would take a couple years working alone to get the hull ready for water. And then there's the rot we can't see in the picture.
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02-26-2020, 06:14 PM
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Guru
City: Qualicum Beach, Vancouver Island
Vessel Name: Capricorn
Vessel Model: Mariner 30 - Sedan Cruiser 1969
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,019
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I full on cheer anyone who restores and older boat, my boat is a 1969 vintage. Here is a guy I have been following, lives in Victoria on his monk that he is in the process of restoring. When you watch his videos, over 100 now, you just know this guy is going to get the job done.
I posted the first video in the Monk section here on TF and as I was doing it I thought it would die a slow death, which happened. But the good news is I use it a reference to find the first video.
Here is the intro video that isn't a video, but he introduces himself and shows the boat he purchased - a Monk of course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo
Here is a short video of an autobiography of the chap doing the restoration, well worth the watch, and not a guy from the cookie cutter, my kind of guy: [You will note this video is number 123]
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02-26-2020, 06:16 PM
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,798
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Noodat
If you are courageous, determined, have many skills, or are just plain foolish, here is a must-have project: A very old Monk 40' in outwardly seemingly complete condition near Vancouver BC. He wants a thousand (Canadian = one bag of wampum, two Hudson's Bay point blankets and a pemican cake) but I suspect might drop that by a grand or so.
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rch...081837342.html
It could be a beauty. Seller writes that it has "Beautiful Craftsman wood work on this interior. Lots of teak and oak woodwork"
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Needs a match and some gasoline. Not every old boat needs to be saved. Money pit extraordinaire.
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02-26-2020, 06:18 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Fort St James BC
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 39
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Thanks for the great link, rsn48. I shall enjoy watching those. Great to read a post by a non-Philistine!
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02-26-2020, 07:34 PM
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Guru
City: North Vancouver
Vessel Name: Phoenix Hunter
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 (1985)
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,877
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor of Fortune
Needs a match and some gasoline. Not every old boat needs to be saved. Money pit extraordinaire.
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Or perhaps just a match, depending how dry it is..
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02-26-2020, 07:51 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Fort St James BC
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JDCAVE
Or perhaps just a match, depending how dry it is..
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I have to admit that is quite clever.
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02-26-2020, 11:17 PM
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Senior Member
City: Long Beach
Vessel Name: Checkmate
Vessel Model: GB 42
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 118
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In our Marina there is a trawler that I believe is a late ‘60’s model Grand Banks Alaskan 46. At a distance I admired her high bow and nice styling. They recently moved the vessel closer to me. Wow! At closer look many hull plans are rotten, the paint is really bad, and the superstructure plywood is delaminated. What a shame. She would be a beautiful vessel in Bristol condition but is probably worth more in parts and firewood. It made me appreciate the fact that my GB 42 is fiberglass.
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02-27-2020, 04:22 AM
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,179
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This is a cruising forum. For many (most?) cruising is not crossing an ocean. But if that is a criteria or if you're on an ultra budget, sail has many more options than power. But for majority of sailors of middle income means, an economical trawler is as viable for cruising - even serious coastal cruising including the entire Caribbean. The Dashew article cites sails lasting about 2200 hours. If a suit of sails is $10k (not including running and standing rigging), well, it offsets a lot of diesel fuel for a trawler that does 7-8 kts at 2-2.5 gph. It really comes down to personal preference. But no doubt, crossing an ocean in a small, suitably equipped powerboat is much, much more expensive endeavor than in a sailboat. If that's the OPs itinerary and he/she is of average means, the options in a power boat get very limited unless they are willing to accept additional risk of not having backup propulsion or fortified scantlings.
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02-28-2020, 07:59 AM
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Guru
City: Tampa, FL
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 672
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Noodat
Looks like the old Monks have no admirers here.
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No, I'm a very big admirer of the Monk designs. In its day, I'm sure the boat in post #1 was a real beauty. But its day has long since passed. Based on the picture, you'd probably have to spend twice what it's worth just to get it floating again. And then three more times what it is worth to get it into good condition. That's IF (a very big "if") you could move it without having it fall completely apart, right where it is.
Some boats, no matter how good the design, or how beautiful they were in their day, just need to be scrapped. This, sadly, looks like one of those.
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02-28-2020, 08:40 AM
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Guru
City: Oconto, WI
Vessel Name: Best Alternative
Vessel Model: 36 Albin Aft Cabin
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,145
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In response to "mvweebles". Methinks your post is misdirected. Maybe you belong to several forums but this is a trawler forum, not a cruising forum. Sure there is an overlap but your post should go somewhere else. This thread happens to be about restoring old wooden boats. Generally trawlers but not always.
Who amongst us does not get an inner glow when upon pulling into a harbor or port is met with some viewers jaw dropping a bit or a dock walker stopping by to compliment us on our boat. Some of the compliments I have heard, or given include "I love your boat", "I love trawlers" or even "Yours is the most beautiful boat in the harbor".
Who amongst us would not love to pull into a harbor in the original post Monk after she has had a few million dollars put into her?
It will probably never happen, at least with me at the helm or writing the checks but what's wrong with dreaming about it, or even talking about it. Even adding negative comments is OK, isn't that what a Forum is all about?
pete
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