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09-02-2021, 12:37 PM
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City: Reno, Nevada
Join Date: Apr 2019
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The Bay-class ice breaking tugs use a DC diesel electric system powered by a FairBANKS Morse. They were commissioned in the 70s and 80s.
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09-02-2021, 02:59 PM
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City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,984
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Although we rarely did, the propeller thrust (speed and direction) on these diesel-electric ships could be controlled from the bridge. I imagine this vessel has similar capabilities. With that setup, you can have one person on watch in each of the two propulsion spaces to monitor equipment but not require a third body to spend endless hours watching to control the propeller in case somebody on the bridge wants to change propeller RPM or thrust direction. That leaves one or two on the bridge, preferably two for a grand total of four people running the ship. Now, the critical issue is how long do you want to run a day? If you are a cruiser, maybe eight hours; so, a two-section watch. That's eight people.
When I was the chief mate on a Navy diesel-powered 223-foot ocean surveillance vessel, the engineering spaces were unmanned because of the investment in extensive alarm systems terminated in the chief engineer's stateroom. We had two of us on watch on the bridge - TOTAL. Along with the secret squirrel surveillance equipment operators, we had about 38 on board. Captain and chief engineer and chief steward and his helpers stood no watches.
Our US Navy underway watch quarter and station bill for the WWII era towing and salvage ship would have had one switchboard watch (for answering the engine order telegraph if propeller not controlled on the bridge), one each roving watch in each of the two propulsion spaces, a sounding and security roving throughout the ship, one lookout on top of the pilothouse, one lifebuoy/aft lookout, one helmsman/EOT operator, one quartermaster, and one OOD. That's nine people per watch section, and we had a 69-man crew. Cooks and helpers and laundrymen and medical corpsman and oil king and senior chief petty officers in deck and engineering and XO (also navigator) and I stood no watch. Chief engineer stood officer of the deck watch.
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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09-02-2021, 03:26 PM
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Guru
City: Tacoma, WA & Ashland, OR
Vessel Name: boatless, ex: Seeadler
Vessel Model: RAWSON 41
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Originally Posted by psneeld
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My optometrist, who was a Coast Guard deck officer before joining the Naval Medical Corps, served on one of the same class, though not the Acushnet, tells me they were originally Navy salvage tugs before being "surplused" to the Coast Guard.
I think there's another one in Portland, just west of the I-5 drawbridge.
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09-02-2021, 04:44 PM
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
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Originally Posted by AlaskaProf
My optometrist, who was a Coast Guard deck officer before joining the Naval Medical Corps, served on one of the same class, though not the Acushnet, tells me they were originally Navy salvage tugs before being "surplused" to the Coast Guard.
I think there's another one in Portland, just west of the I-5 drawbridge.
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Tough little ships built to take it. Thus their very long lives.
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Rich Gano
FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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09-02-2021, 05:04 PM
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Guru
City: Cape May, NJ
Vessel Name: Irish Lady
Vessel Model: Monk 36
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,964
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Looks like fun for a dedicated organization. I would love to be a crewmember.
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Archie
Irish Lady
1984 Monk 36 Hull #46
Currently in Cape May, NJ
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09-02-2021, 05:14 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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For a time, I was on a US Destroyer, DD881,built in 43 or 44. They were chipping the bilge and poked a hole through it. No water leakage, they were in dry dock. Just weld a patch on the outside of the hull, presto! No more hole.
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09-02-2021, 06:13 PM
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Senior Member
City: Snohomish
Vessel Name: Toki
Vessel Model: Ranger 27
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 123
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You people aren't thinking this through. The apocalypse is upon us! What a great platform to wait this out on (remember, zombies can't swim).
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09-02-2021, 07:35 PM
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,984
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Originally Posted by OldDan1943
For a time, I was on a US Destroyer, DD881,built in 43 or 44. They were chipping the bilge and poked a hole through it. No water leakage, they were in dry dock. Just weld a patch on the outside of the hull, presto! No more hole.
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Ha! Reminds me of a time I was at home one fine Sunday afternoon when I got a call from the tug's command duty officer telling my that a 1/2-inch hole had appeared in the bilge of the propulsion motor room when the steel rod used by the sounding and security patrol to check the bilge water level every hour for 30 or 40 years had finally worn through the striker plate and the hull. He said we had a nice little 4-5 foot fountain in there. A diver was called, and a box patch was welded in place allowing us to just go on about our business. The steel rod was replaced with a plastic one!
In the middle of a transpacific transit, a destroyer I was on had a several foot long crack develop in a fire room, and we were taking on water with every roll. The advice from ashore was to drill a small hole at either end of the crack to stop the crack from growing until we got to a shipyard for repair. We did not sink; so, I guess it did work.
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FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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09-02-2021, 08:01 PM
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Guru
City: Tacoma, WA & Ashland, OR
Vessel Name: boatless, ex: Seeadler
Vessel Model: RAWSON 41
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Originally Posted by rgano
Tough little ships built to take it. Thus their very long lives.
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I have to say, there is a certain robust utilitarian aesthetic about the vessel. Sign me up for the "fantasy crew." QM3, I think.
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09-03-2021, 05:03 AM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rgano
In the middle of a transpacific transit, a destroyer I was on had a several foot long crack develop in a fire room, and we were taking on water with every roll. The advice from ashore was to drill a small hole at either end of the crack to stop the crack from growing until we got to a shipyard for repair. We did not sink; so, I guess it did work.
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Yup, those holes job, stress relieving points.
These thing happened before the days of battery operated drills. I guess there was an air driven drill available.
The main seawater induction, in the fwd engine room, to the condenser was cracked so they wrapped very tight with cord. Guess it worked. We didn't sink. Pretty too.
A shaft bearing was over heating so they put a rag on it a slow drip of sea water on the rag.
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09-03-2021, 09:34 AM
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Veteran Member
City: La Conner
Vessel Name: Shear Bliss
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 85
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I would be in my happy place just at the dock on this boat wondering about the stories she could tell and wandering the passageways looking/touching; "where does this go? what does this do?"
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09-04-2021, 02:39 PM
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Senior Member
City: St Petersburg
Vessel Name: Knot Fast
Vessel Model: Great Harbour GH37
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 243
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Why not just anchor it in front of some expensive house in Miami, and live aboard. I bet it would take a while to fill the holding tank...
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09-04-2021, 02:56 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knot Fast
Why not just anchor it in front of some expensive house in Miami, and live aboard. I bet it would take a while to fill the holding tank...
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The home owners' would complain, "You are blocking my view." The 2 story condo here started complaining a while back. Went no where.
They complained about exhaust smell, they were told, what did you expect at a marina with boats? Then they complained about workers.....
Just cant please anyone.
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09-04-2021, 03:53 PM
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City: Tri Cities, WA
Join Date: Nov 2012
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I'm probably not in good enough shape to be much help as a crew member but I would LOVE to go on as a passenger.
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1981 Boston Whaler 13'
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09-04-2021, 04:50 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: AZZURRA
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 54
Join Date: Aug 2017
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I just motored by the vessel today on my way to Anacortes. She is in rough shape. Expect to pay 5x the sell price just to deal with the cosmetics.
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09-04-2021, 07:34 PM
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,798
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These projects are soooo unrealistic.. Some guys get together to "save" these old ships. ALWAYS underfunded, never get off the ground etc. Pilotage, Manning docs, maintenance and repair knock most of these projects out of the water...
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09-04-2021, 09:49 PM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor of Fortune
These projects are soooo unrealistic.. Some guys get together to "save" these old ships. ALWAYS underfunded, never get off the ground etc. Pilotage, Manning docs, maintenance and repair knock most of these projects out of the water...
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Yup - Boats [ships] such as these were nearly unlimited Tax-$$$ maintained throughout their life with service persons serving superiors' orders while aboard. In other words, there was no expense nor any work effort not covered every day of the govt owned boat's life.
Billionaire could handle that type of enormous expense... but... why would they? Guess their bean counter could use it as a BIG write off
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09-04-2021, 10:06 PM
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#38
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Guru
City: Sharon, Ma
Vessel Name: Slow Lane
Vessel Model: 2005 Silverton 35 Motoryacht
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 1,167
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It has 4 engines???? I thought these huge displacement hulls were usually powered by a massive single?
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2005 Silverton 35 Motoryacht
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09-04-2021, 10:07 PM
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#39
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Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,984
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor of Fortune
These projects are soooo unrealistic.. Some guys get together to "save" these old ships. ALWAYS underfunded, never get off the ground etc. Pilotage, Manning docs, maintenance and repair knock most of these projects out of the water...
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Check out the success story of LST 325 at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_LST-325
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Rich Gano
FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
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09-04-2021, 10:30 PM
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Guru
City: Los Angeles
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,487
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Quote:
Originally Posted by South of Heaven
It has 4 engines???? I thought these huge displacement hulls were usually powered by a massive single?
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This type of powerboat is essentially Diesel-Electric.
Multiple generators that power multiple electric drive motors.
A very flexible system but rather complex.
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