Like trawlers, not the 1960 interiors.

[Insequent]

With a rug over the parquet floor, freestanding white leather lounge chairs, some contrasting items, white headliner and plenty of natural light the teak is not that dominant.

Dated? Sure. But easy enough to make aesthetic changes to an oldie until you enjoy the ambience. Its just decorating, so nothing serious in terms of boat bucks.

My saloon and galley were fine, for me. The heads, well that's still a work in progress. I have removed two layers of 'modern' (80's, 90's) wallpaper and was lucky in that the plain white laminate beneath was largely undamaged. The basins/benchtops are '80's chic' and at some point will go, but for the amount of time I'm there its liveable for the moment. Head pic still has wallpaper.

 

[man n black]

Dunno what size you are looking for but Bering, Horizon (EP and Bandido) and CdM all have very modern not so shippy interiors....

Ch

 

[BerettaRacer]

I can live with the parquet floors, and some of the teak master staterooms are quite nice if they haven't been water stained or butchered by the PO's, but..... the bathroom fittings are usually trash and the galleys are minuscule and totally outdated. In my shopping I'm pretty much focused on something that has a settee opposite the galley, so I can rip out the table and seats and blow out the galley into the void space and upgrade to modern appliances.
I don't mind living on a boat full time, I've done it for most of my life, but I'm retiring, NOT camping!! LOL
Big refer, good cooktop, convection oven, good micro, dishwasher, nice countertops, decent lighting, washer/dryer, maybe a compactor, etc etc.
If it means losing the settee and dropping $20k for refit of appliances, cabinets, and bathroom fixtures so be it, cost of doing business (or living comfortably in this case).
In 35 yrs as megayacht engineer I've done more refits and builds on other peoples boats than I can remember, one more on my own small boat no big thing, except I've got to pay the bills this time, lol.

 

[Hamrow]

In my shopping I'm pretty much focused on something that has a settee opposite the galley, so I can rip out the table and seats and blow out the galley into the void space and upgrade to modern appliances.

Big refer, good cooktop, convection oven, good micro, dishwasher, nice countertops, decent lighting, washer/dryer, maybe a compactor, etc etc.
If it means losing the settee and dropping $20k for refit of appliances, cabinets, and bathroom fixtures so be it, cost of doing business (or living comfortably in this case).

There's a big 48' American Tug where they did essentially what you suggest; removed a seating breakfast area in order to fully expand the galley, though she is WAY above my budget! (plus in our case, we would have kept the brkfst table....)
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[Benthic2]

..... I am leaning more towards the interiors of a Beneteau Swift.......

Why not just get a Beneteau then ?

 

[Acheron2010]

Why not just get a Beneteau then ?

Ah, yes, were it that simple. Out of my range. I will find the boat, for now, I live vicariously from the laptop in my cabin to your boat cabins.

 

[FF]

Hurry , modern , is like electronic boat toys ,frequently outdated before delivery.

 

[rwidman]

I can live with the parquet floors, and some of the teak master staterooms are quite nice if they haven't been water stained or butchered by the PO's, but..... the bathroom fittings are usually trash and the galleys are minuscule and totally outdated. In my shopping I'm pretty much focused on something that has a settee opposite the galley, so I can rip out the table and seats and blow out the galley into the void space and upgrade to modern appliances.
I don't mind living on a boat full time, I've done it for most of my life, but I'm retiring, NOT camping!! LOL
Big refer, good cooktop, convection oven, good micro, dishwasher, nice countertops, decent lighting, washer/dryer, maybe a compactor, etc etc.
If it means losing the settee and dropping $20k for refit of appliances, cabinets, and bathroom fixtures so be it, cost of doing business (or living comfortably in this case).
In 35 yrs as megayacht engineer I've done more refits and builds on other peoples boats than I can remember, one more on my own small boat no big thing, except I've got to pay the bills this time, lol.

Spending $20K to redo the interior of an old boat won't increase the value of the boat that much. You would be better off adding the $20K to your boat budget and buying a more expensive boat that you already would be satisfied with.

More importantly, you won't be spending the next year working on a boat, you will be able to spend it boating. Isn't that why we buy boats in the first place?

 

[Art]

Hurry , modern , is like electronic boat toys ,frequently outdated before delivery.

Talking about outdated toys!

Not too distant future there will be nano-insertion internet-implant chips available for human body that update often to internally take care of items such as cell phone communication, directional compass, EPIRB, math calculations, GPS... and other "21st Century every-day-needs". Eventually all newborns will e "chipped" - by law.

Then there will become more powerful replacement chips inserted at schedules and to specs of the "Ruling Body of Govt. [RBoG]; so everyone can be updated as required. These new chip insertion/replacements will be as simple as walking past "nano-insertion windows" provided to all communities.

Then humans as RBoG will replaced by Ether Net Cloud Control [ENCC].

and, then, And Then, AND THEN!!! ... Poof goes the human race - - >

Future Possibilities, per Elon Musk and others:


Interesting… Thought provoking… Cautionary… Today’s currently human Big Brother could too soon become Big Ether, i.e. virtually a cloud that may plan to remove humanity/“Us”!


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/elon-musk-billion-dollar-crusade-to-stop-ai-space-x

 

[Art]

Spending $20K to redo the interior of an old boat won't increase the value of the boat that much. You would be better off adding the $20K to your boat budget and buying a more expensive boat that you already would be satisfied with.

More importantly, you won't be spending the next year working on a boat, you will be able to spend it boating. Isn't that why we buy boats in the first place?

Exactly the reason we purchased a dated but in great original condition 1977 Tollycraft 34' tri cabin. Everything works, all is comfortable; completely self contained. Only items needing attention were the two heads' toilet arrangements. I factored that cost [accomplished by a certified Raritan installer] into purchase price. The improvement was completed by the installer within about a week after purchase. Since 2008... fun in the sun! Incidental maintenance accomplished as needed. And, because a good condition, classic boat was purchased at correct price... current level of sale prices for same age/model boat has gone up slightly. What's not to luv about that!

BTW - currently we have no desire to sell! More fun in the sun coming!!

Happy Boat-Choice Daze! - Art

PS: Usually does take some shopping and patience to locate the correct boat that fits your needs/desires. If you thoroughly outline/list [on paper] what you need/want in a boat makes it much easier to locate said boat. However, do be willing to compromise on some issues/desires as there is never the "perfect boat" ... just the best boat for your time of life. There is an old saying: You don't really chose the correct boat, the correct boat choses you!

 

[rwidman]

......... If you thoroughly outline/list [on paper] what you need/want in a boat makes it much easier to locate said boat. ..........

That's good for your second boat. If you've never had a boat (or trawler in this case), you won't really know what you need or want.

 

[Art]

That's good for your second boat. If you've never had a boat (or trawler in this case), you won't really know what you need or want.

I suggest going to boat shows and aboard older boats for sale and reading on the web till you do learn what you want or need... as well as chatting with boat owners at marinas.

I know it's tough for a novice to realize the intricacies of what to own for first boat... but it tain't rocket science! LOL :lol:

 

[man n black]

What @Art said......

This is exactly what we are doing and it has changed our outlook about what we want and don't want immensely

Ch

 

[BerettaRacer]

Spending $20K to redo the interior of an old boat won't increase the value of the boat that much. You would be better off adding the $20K to your boat budget and buying a more expensive boat that you already would be satisfied with.

More importantly, you won't be spending the next year working on a boat, you will be able to spend it boating. Isn't that why we buy boats in the first place?

LOL, a year for a galley update/refit, that's funny, :lol:

Doing it for work on a client/charter boat is usually a few weeks, between seasons. Doing my own to save $$$ on vendors will stretch it out to few months, but yard time and helpers still cost $$ so can't take to long. Gotta at least get galley done so can move aboard and begin systems and cosmetic updates.

I wish I could just add $20K to budget and get what I want, as they say "ain't gonna happen bro". To get what I want brings budget up a lot more than that, but more importantly, adds to much size to the boat. Need to be at least in mid 40' to get the space and higher 12kw power supply I want, but have to stay single handed capable, so max'ing out in the 45-48 range. Plus max 15' air and 4' draft. Tight window.

 

[psneeld]

Put the $20k upgrades into perspective......on some boats that would be a complete makeover.....on some it's just updating a few appliances, fixtures and maybe counters or a set of furniture...heck a decent new mates can cost half of that for some boats.

A couple weeks worth of work, even at a marina if they are good.

Sorry BarettaRacer, beat me to the punchline....just adding that ones style of boating isn't necessarily near someone elses, how they do it and the reality of what can/can't be done.

And funny that many would do the same amount of work and spend the money on a vacation home, but can't see it on a boat.

 

[FF]

There is a startling lack of power on a 45fter compared to a mega boat.

How will you power the mega,not camping galley?

 

[BerettaRacer]

There is a startling lack of power on a 45fter compared to a mega boat.

How will you power the mega,not camping galley?

Modern electrical appliances are extremely more efficient than they were 10-even 5 yrs ago.
Good high end micro is about 1200W
Chefs quality convection ovens are in the 1500W range, and do a meatloaf to prime rib to lasagna in no time.
ANY refer today is mega more efficient, and with built in ice maker I don't need a stand alone unit
Half a dozen companies make an 18" dishwasher, very efficient, and what little power they use you save in water use, at about 3 gal per load. You save even more power by not having the potable and gray pumps cycling running sink water to do dishes.
Everybody makes cooktops, all wattage burners, expanding burners, interconnecting burners for etc etc. Nothing says you have to use all of them at once, but you can pick and choose what works best, anything from about 500W on up. Induction a toss up, individual burners generally use a little more power, but supposedly cook faster.
Apartment size or stack washer/dryer units pull about 6KW, some even less but they take longer.
Jura coffee/expresso station uses same watts a Mr Coffee, but make just slightly better coffee.

25 yrs ago a Princess 3 burner coil stove, Nevercold refer and formica countertops were standard, there's a better more efficient way to do things today. Inverters didn't exit, led lighting and tv's didn't exist, Corian was latest thing out. Today, why would you install 110V and 12V lighting?? You build everything in 24V led lighting, everything, period! One system. Done!
Todays 60" led flatscreens draw less power than an old 12" countertop tube tv.

Hell, Mermaid even makes an A/C unit designed to run overnight on a pair of 8D's. It's designed to do it.

One single 50A/240V cord equals 12KW, amazing that 12KW just happens to be a common generator frame size, think somebody planned that?
Outback inverters in 3500W stack and talk, 240V/110V out no problem. Balmar alternators. This is all "off the shelf" stuff, not rocket science anymore.

80's trawlers are generally solid & affordable, and have years of life left but definitely due for a makeover if it's going to be your home.

If I can't organize it to be comfortable on a trawler I'll just but a condo and a Donzi and be a retired marina warrior, LOL

 

[BerettaRacer]

Oh yeah, almost forgot, I LOVE my wifi controlled slow cooker, doesn't use any more power than a regular one, but a LOT easier to control when your away doing things, like fixing other peoples boats to help pay for this stuff. <wink>

 

[FF]

So a 12 kW noisemaker will operate 24/7?

A single 1500 w draw is about 140 amps from a 12 v house bank.,it will require a rather large bank.

 

[rwidman]

LOL, a year for a galley update/refit, that's funny, :lol:

Doing it for work on a client/charter boat is usually a few weeks, between seasons. Doing my own to save $$$ on vendors will stretch it out to few months, but yard time and helpers still cost $$ so can't take to long. Gotta at least get galley done so can move aboard and begin systems and cosmetic updates.

I wish I could just add $20K to budget and get what I want, as they say "ain't gonna happen bro". To get what I want brings budget up a lot more than that, but more importantly, adds to much size to the boat. Need to be at least in mid 40' to get the space and higher 12kw power supply I want, but have to stay single handed capable, so max'ing out in the 45-48 range. Plus max 15' air and 4' draft. Tight window.

I'm glad I could amuse you.

I see your mind is already made up but I'll warn you that marinas and boat yards are full of people's unfinished dreams, up on blocks or in a slip with two inches of barnacles on the bottom.

 

[Art]

I'm glad I could amuse you.

I see your mind is already made up but I'll warn you that marinas and boat yards are full of people's unfinished dreams, up on blocks or in a slip with two inches of barnacles on the bottom.

I know a guy who purchased a boat exactly like mine and had the entire boat redone, including new twin diesels and electrical. From what I understand the cost was well above $100K. Guess he simply loves it. He and I swapped/traded a few marine items for things that came off his boat as original [in perfect condition] factory accoutrements. My favorite is the absolute top of the line classic-style electrical panel that is an exact duplicate of our boat's. I keep it aboard in sealed package for immediate replacement use if ever needed while we're out n' about!

 

[Nomad Willy]

Not liking "in with the new out with the old" talk I think the essence of this thread is more like looking at old boats is seeing the effects of time and use with minimal maintenance. Exterior maintenance is much more demanding and receives far more attention.

Old boats are a lot like old cars. If you could take a new boat and apply 30 years of use and minimal maintenance the OP wouldn't like that either. I've seen old boats and old cars that have been completely rebuilt and are beautiful. Style is an element of time and if one dosn't like that period style it needs to be changed. However most of why people don't like old boats (cars houses ect) is that they have dirt imbedded in the porous materials and it looks old. Seeing such a boat one can almost smell the oldness.

So I think the oldness that the OP is talking about can be best dealt w by rebuilding or replacing the surfaces of the interior. Then they will look like new.

One thing that will make even a fairly new boat look a bit old is lots of dark surfaces. Usually wood stained dark .. and wood turns dark naturally too. It will give off an "old" essence. Some of the pictures in this thread show that significant areas of white or other light colors alleviate most of the "dark hole" problem. Removing old finishes and some sanding will make a boat's interior wood look like new again. Sometimes making a boat look good just involves some significant effort as in hard work.

So a dirty, stained and aged boat w faded surfaces will look old no matter what the style. So relief of the old look is probably best achieved by replacing or rebuilding the old surfaces and/or materials. Or just a very good clean up job.