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04-04-2017, 09:53 AM
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Guru
City: Philadelphia, PA
Vessel Name: Revel
Vessel Model: 1984 Fu Hwa 39
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,024
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Keep looking! There apparently was a lot of variation in design and construction even by the same builder, the same label-sticker-on-er. I've seen pics of GBs with original parquet as well as T&H. Ditto lots of others. There's a wide variation in fussy detail; some folks must have liked the fiddles with turned spindles and the turned posts. Some must have preferred bulky cabinet door frames and the wicker panels.
Nearly all of these boats have plywood panels covering large areas or comprising cabinet components. But there is variation in how cheap the panels look; it's a matter of the cut of the veneer. (I think the ubiquitous quarter-sliced Teak looks cheaper than the rarer flat-sliced Teak or other species.) And it's a matter of how the panels are trimmed at the edges. Well-done trim protects the edges while the sleek trim-less look of 'modern' boats is both cheaper to do and more susceptible to damage. (I've seen boats at boat shows with untrimmed plywood panels whose edges were already chipped!)
So, keep looking. There are lots of compromises to be made in choosing a boat. For me, the look of the woodwork is very important (I'm a 'woodchuck' and a retired architect.) And the FuHwa we have suits my aesthetic for look and quality of the woodwork. FuHwa was one of three TT builders supplying other nameplates and lots of the wood pieces look the same.
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04-04-2017, 10:21 AM
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#22
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,046
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ASD was built in 1988. I was looking around in the cabinets and found the original sales brochure and I was very surprised! The color of our carpet was the same color as in 1988!!! Talk about a need to update! The Admiral went to work researching, looking. The biggest issue was finding someone to actually lay the carpet.
She decided on Shaw marine carpet, tie for the bathroom floors and back splash for around the galley. She did a great job, but it wasn't cheap.
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04-04-2017, 01:24 PM
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#23
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Senior Member
City: PNW
Vessel Model: American Tug 435
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 258
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You might look at used Fathom 41 or 43, but there is only one head.
Or you might look at some dutch boats like Elling, though the configuration leans a bit more towards a sailboat in regards to the main saloon being lower in the boat with high windows.
Agreed if you look at Beneteau or anything really that seems more modern, just do some research and ask if the furniture is solid versus some kind of laminate over press board or whatever... It's also worth comparing resale value of various brands. for example you mentioned American and Nordics; they seem to hold value pretty well. Good luck!
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04-04-2017, 03:23 PM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamrow
You might look at used Fathom 41 or 43, but there is only one head.
Or you might look at some dutch boats like Elling, though the configuration leans a bit more towards a sailboat in regards to the main saloon being lower in the boat with high windows.
Agreed if you look at Beneteau or anything really that seems more modern, just do some research and ask if the furniture is solid versus some kind of laminate over press board or whatever... It's also worth comparing resale value of various brands. for example you mentioned American and Nordics; they seem to hold value pretty well. Good luck!
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I was thinking about the Fathom Element as well. I was in a new one for sale and the interior styling seems to be what the OP is looking for. Not the price however.
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04-04-2017, 04:31 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Much prefer my boat's interior over the look of a Motel 6 room.
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04-04-2017, 04:40 PM
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Guru
City: Solomons Island Md
Vessel Name: Fryedaze
Vessel Model: MC 42 (Overseas Co) Monk 42
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,720
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Back when we were looking for a trawler we saw a lot of older boats with teak veneer plywood interiors with water stains and delamination. I didn't know how lucky we were to get a boat without the veneered plywood finish. The fact that we bought our boat was dumb luck is our case. The interior is 1/4" teak on top of 1/2" plywood. There are no water stains in the boat. I am not against the new veneer finishes. I was just on a Hampton 490 that made you feel like you were on a high end cruise ship with all its beautiful wood work from top to bottom.
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04-04-2017, 04:55 PM
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Senior Member
City: Norfolk, VA
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3870
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 308
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OP, What?! You don't like teak on teak on teak over teak, with teak trim and teak accents, next to teak floors and teak doors, and the occasional piece of "teak stained" oakum plywood modifications because the owner was too cheap for teak veneer plywood
The interiors of albins and marine traders I looked at while shopping were depressingly dark and were ripe for white paint! But the worst offenders I ran across were a couple of old Hatteras MY. They all had some combination of cream, avocado, and burnt orange appliances/carpet/laminate counter tops/wallpaper
Nothing says "buy me" like getting the feeling you are walking into your grandmas house
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04-04-2017, 05:03 PM
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Guru
City: North Charleston, SC
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,869
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Much prefer my boat's interior over the look of a Motel 6 room.
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That is very nice looking.
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04-04-2017, 05:48 PM
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#30
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IronZebra
Saw a nice older Chris Craft on YW. Said the owner was a wood worker. Inside pictures look very "modern" and nice.
1970 Chris Craft 47 Commander Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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That is a nice classic Chris Commander.
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04-04-2017, 06:27 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,260
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With a rug over the parquet floor, freestanding white leather lounge chairs, some contrasting items, white headliner and plenty of natural light the teak is not that dominant.
Dated? Sure. But easy enough to make aesthetic changes to an oldie until you enjoy the ambience. Its just decorating, so nothing serious in terms of boat bucks.
My saloon and galley were fine, for me. The heads, well that's still a work in progress. I have removed two layers of 'modern' (80's, 90's) wallpaper and was lucky in that the plain white laminate beneath was largely undamaged. The basins/benchtops are '80's chic' and at some point will go, but for the amount of time I'm there its liveable for the moment. Head pic still has wallpaper.
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04-05-2017, 11:46 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Steamboat Springs CO.
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 92
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Dunno what size you are looking for but Bering, Horizon (EP and Bandido) and CdM all have very modern not so shippy interiors....
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04-05-2017, 05:13 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
City: Ft Lauderdale
Vessel Model: 120' Custom, Cat 3512's, 1750 HP ea.
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 174
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I can live with the parquet floors, and some of the teak master staterooms are quite nice if they haven't been water stained or butchered by the PO's, but..... the bathroom fittings are usually trash and the galleys are minuscule and totally outdated. In my shopping I'm pretty much focused on something that has a settee opposite the galley, so I can rip out the table and seats and blow out the galley into the void space and upgrade to modern appliances.
I don't mind living on a boat full time, I've done it for most of my life, but I'm retiring, NOT camping!! LOL
Big refer, good cooktop, convection oven, good micro, dishwasher, nice countertops, decent lighting, washer/dryer, maybe a compactor, etc etc.
If it means losing the settee and dropping $20k for refit of appliances, cabinets, and bathroom fixtures so be it, cost of doing business (or living comfortably in this case).
In 35 yrs as megayacht engineer I've done more refits and builds on other peoples boats than I can remember, one more on my own small boat no big thing, except I've got to pay the bills this time, lol.
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04-05-2017, 05:52 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
City: PNW
Vessel Model: American Tug 435
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 258
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BerettaRacer
In my shopping I'm pretty much focused on something that has a settee opposite the galley, so I can rip out the table and seats and blow out the galley into the void space and upgrade to modern appliances.
Big refer, good cooktop, convection oven, good micro, dishwasher, nice countertops, decent lighting, washer/dryer, maybe a compactor, etc etc.
If it means losing the settee and dropping $20k for refit of appliances, cabinets, and bathroom fixtures so be it, cost of doing business (or living comfortably in this case).
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There's a big 48' American Tug where they did essentially what you suggest; removed a seating breakfast area in order to fully expand the galley, though she is WAY above my budget! (plus in our case, we would have kept the brkfst table....)
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04-05-2017, 08:34 PM
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#35
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Guru
City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,605
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acheron2010
..... I am leaning more towards the interiors of a Beneteau Swift.......
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Why not just get a Beneteau then ?
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04-05-2017, 09:10 PM
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#36
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Senior Member
City: New Tazewell
Vessel Name: Saoirse
Vessel Model: 1983 Nauticat 44 Ketch
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 151
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benthic2
Why not just get a Beneteau then ?
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Ah, yes, were it that simple. Out of my range. I will find the boat, for now, I live vicariously from the laptop in my cabin to your boat cabins.
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04-06-2017, 06:09 AM
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#37
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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Hurry , modern , is like electronic boat toys ,frequently outdated before delivery.
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04-06-2017, 06:59 AM
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#38
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Guru
City: North Charleston, SC
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 4,869
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BerettaRacer
I can live with the parquet floors, and some of the teak master staterooms are quite nice if they haven't been water stained or butchered by the PO's, but..... the bathroom fittings are usually trash and the galleys are minuscule and totally outdated. In my shopping I'm pretty much focused on something that has a settee opposite the galley, so I can rip out the table and seats and blow out the galley into the void space and upgrade to modern appliances.
I don't mind living on a boat full time, I've done it for most of my life, but I'm retiring, NOT camping!! LOL
Big refer, good cooktop, convection oven, good micro, dishwasher, nice countertops, decent lighting, washer/dryer, maybe a compactor, etc etc.
If it means losing the settee and dropping $20k for refit of appliances, cabinets, and bathroom fixtures so be it, cost of doing business (or living comfortably in this case).
In 35 yrs as megayacht engineer I've done more refits and builds on other peoples boats than I can remember, one more on my own small boat no big thing, except I've got to pay the bills this time, lol.
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Spending $20K to redo the interior of an old boat won't increase the value of the boat that much. You would be better off adding the $20K to your boat budget and buying a more expensive boat that you already would be satisfied with.
More importantly, you won't be spending the next year working on a boat, you will be able to spend it boating. Isn't that why we buy boats in the first place?
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04-06-2017, 07:28 AM
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#39
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FF
Hurry , modern , is like electronic boat toys ,frequently outdated before delivery.
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Talking about outdated toys!
Not too distant future there will be nano-insertion internet-implant chips available for human body that update often to internally take care of items such as cell phone communication, directional compass, EPIRB, math calculations, GPS... and other "21st Century every-day- needs". Eventually all newborns will e "chipped" - by law.
Then there will become more powerful replacement chips inserted at schedules and to specs of the "Ruling Body of Govt. [RBoG]; so everyone can be updated as required. These new chip insertion/replacements will be as simple as walking past "nano-insertion windows" provided to all communities.
Then humans as RBoG will replaced by Ether Net Cloud Control [ENCC].
and, then, And Then, AND THEN!!! ... Poof goes the human race - - >
Future Possibilities, per Elon Musk and others:
Interesting… Thought provoking… Cautionary… Today’s currently human Big Brother could too soon become Big Ether, i.e. virtually a cloud that may plan to remove humanity/“Us”!
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/elon-musk-billion-dollar-crusade-to-stop-ai-space-x
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04-06-2017, 08:08 AM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WesK
Spending $20K to redo the interior of an old boat won't increase the value of the boat that much. You would be better off adding the $20K to your boat budget and buying a more expensive boat that you already would be satisfied with.
More importantly, you won't be spending the next year working on a boat, you will be able to spend it boating. Isn't that why we buy boats in the first place?
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Exactly the reason we purchased a dated but in great original condition 1977 Tollycraft 34' tri cabin. Everything works, all is comfortable; completely self contained. Only items needing attention were the two heads' toilet arrangements. I factored that cost [accomplished by a certified Raritan installer] into purchase price. The improvement was completed by the installer within about a week after purchase. Since 2008... fun in the sun! Incidental maintenance accomplished as needed. And, because a good condition, classic boat was purchased at correct price... current level of sale prices for same age/model boat has gone up slightly. What's not to luv about that!
BTW - currently we have no desire to sell! More fun in the sun coming!!
Happy Boat-Choice Daze! - Art
PS: Usually does take some shopping and patience to locate the correct boat that fits your needs/desires. If you thoroughly outline/list [on paper] what you need/want in a boat makes it much easier to locate said boat. However, do be willing to compromise on some issues/desires as there is never the "perfect boat" ... just the best boat for your time of life. There is an old saying: You don't really chose the correct boat, the correct boat choses you!
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