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Old 09-30-2017, 06:44 PM   #41
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Dont always assume a general comment involves your posts. But also generically, it is almost impossible in thesevthreads to have a total understanding of all viewpoints and possibilities by their nature.

For everone else...

Anything underwater actually weighs less. If it has some holes in it, the chances of it silting in and settling in one spot are possible too.

I did say if done right which includes selecting a site that if id did roll, it wouldnr be counterproductive to providing habitat.
I'm not assuming whose posts it involves or doesn't. Just that intelligent, well informed people can disagree with you and that you don't have the market cornered on understanding.
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I'm not assuming whose posts it involves or doesn't. Just that intelligent, well informed people can disagree with you and that you don't have the market cornered on understanding.
I think someone is having a bad day. Or week. Maybe he just needs a hug!
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I'm not assuming whose posts it involves or doesn't. Just that intelligent, well informed people can disagree with you and that you don't have the market cornered on understanding.
No, I dont have the market cornered on understanding.

But there are obvious examples of posters that arent disagreeing based on sound, logical principles the vast majority of the time and I am not the only one pointing those posters out on a regular basis.
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"sound, logical principles" are subjective.
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No, I dont have the market cornered on understanding.

But there are obvious examples of posters that arent disagreeing based on sound, logical principles the vast majority of the time and I am not the only one pointing those posters out on a regular basis.
They disagree based on opinions which are not always sound or logical to other people. There are many who post here with statements they think are well thought out and I believe are not logical or don't make sense, but that doesn't mean they should be chastised over posting their opinions. The only aspect of this thread I disagree with is the name calling and that didn't involve me on either side.

Neither you nor I get to decide what is sound or logical.
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I get to decide what is my opinion just like everyone else and others get to evaluate that based on what they know and think I know.

I will leave it at that.
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Wow. This party is still going strong. It's legal to dump this item 12miles out. That puts it in 650 ft of water. That's the legal view. At that depth, no one will see it, and it won't roll around with it's 400 lbs of mass. Mass increases significantly as an item fills with water...
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Specific gravity calculation maybe?

Any engineers or physicists want to weigh in here?
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Bigfish;
Sorry to hear about your medical situation - I hope you recover quickly.

In the meantime, I don't think the offshore disposal of the tank is necessary. I believe you said you need the s/s tank removed in order to match a new tank? That would be the time to throw it away via a marina. (It's easier & cheaper to arrange to drop it off at a marina than to run 24 nm round trip to dump it offshore, right?)
You have another week to recover ...take it easy, and use the time to arrange for some volunteers to help with the tanks. Here in Houston, post-Harvey, there are a number of groups who offer free help. Maybe a Boy Scout troop? Just explain your situation.
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Sure a lot of comments, so here's mine, along with a few questions....

Overall, I like Psneeld thoughts on this... logical.

I guess Bigfishs original question as to legality has been answered, and then this morphed into an "is it right, moral, responsible" discussion....

I could be a bit in the middle, don't thing dumping it is necessarily bad and the options ashore just seem easier, but....

Is there even a dock to go to? And is there a recycling operation that's open or even close by?

And, when will the new tank come from and cost?

I could argue that just welding it could be the best and easiest option, but may cost more than dumping the tank. But, add in the cost of a new one, could be cheaper and no dumping or recycling.

Now, when everything is fixed, how does the tank get periodically emptied?
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"How does the new tank get emptied?"

My first reply was going to be, "Take a guess."

But then it got me thinking, "Where marinas with pump-outs are either damaged or chock-full after a storm, do you think a lot of boaters turn the valve an simply pump overboard? Especially at moorings? Unfortunately I bet they do. After dark of course.
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Many mooring fields are serviced by pump out boats. The large live aboard community in Richardson Bay in the SF estuary is served that way.
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................And, when will the new tank come from and cost??
One source:

https://www.jamestowndistributors.co...+Holding+Tanks

There are many others. The 55 gallon tank is $250. Smaller tanks are less.

These tanks are molded polyethylene and should outlast the boat. Unlike metal, they are unaffected by urine or other sewage.
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They disagree based on opinions which are not always sound or logical to other people. There are many who post here with statements they think are well thought out and I believe are not logical or don't make sense, but that doesn't mean they should be chastised over posting their opinions. The only aspect of this thread I disagree with is the name calling and that didn't involve me on either side.

Neither you nor I get to decide what is sound or logical.


I don't advocate dumping junk anywhere and I don't preach preach to others either. Time to get off your soap box.
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I don't advocate dumping junk anywhere and I don't preach preach to others either. Time to get off your soap box.
Isn't that what web forums are about? Electronic soap boxes?
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I'm on a mooring ball with no access to a dock or $ to for access or disposal. And NO I'm not accustomed to disposing of trash overboard. I personally think dumping this tank, which will rust away to nothing, will be less harmfull to the environment then paying somebody to bury it in a landfill... and much easier. Obviously you disagree...
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Thank You PSneeld! Common sense is not completely dead yet...
Don't worry, any common sense based on science will be long gone by the end of this thread.
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Already thinning quickly..... ...

And yes I might be wrong, waiting for the conclusive evidence to apologize and quietly bow out.
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[QUOTE=psneeld;597058.....I see no issue other than the law........[/QUOTE]

This was my favorite post.

Sickness and poverty entitle you to some sympathy and help, and maybe even some kind words and good wishes. They do NOT entitle you to break the law, or exempt you from your moral obligation to protect the seas and the planet.

I can't afford a new iphone, so it is OK if I steal one from someone ?

I sprained my ankle and its really inconvenient to walk to the dumpter..can I just throw my trash out of my apartment window...maybe just the paper goods since they'll break down quickly ?

If you really thought it was OK to dump it, you woulnd't have asked the forum.

In 2 minutes of googling I found 4 scrap metal dealers/recyclers located on Marathon.

I'm sorry your finances and health aren't great. I hope they improve. Now go do the right thing.
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