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06-14-2018, 11:56 PM
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Senior Member
City: NW Washington State
Vessel Name: Kingfisher
Vessel Model: 37' converted gillnetter/crabber
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 442
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Originally Posted by menzies
Do they balk at two bowlines, boat side at the ready?
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You're required to have two 50-foot lock lines, each with an eye at least 12 inches in diameter. Bowlines are fine in lieu of a spliced loop. If you're locking up from salt water to the Ship Canal at low tide (in the large lock), they'll throw down a light messenger line because you'll be 20 or more feet below the edge of the lock. That's where the sheet bend comes in. If they have scores of boats to cram in there, as they often do on nice summer weekends, they appreciate not having to untie the tangles that a lot of folks create.
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Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible. ~The Dalai Lama
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06-15-2018, 01:35 AM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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[QUOTE=Donna;672707]I can’t tie a knot to save my life. I hired out.[/QUOT
But You Smile Nice!!
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06-15-2018, 01:59 AM
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#23
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Senior Member
City: West Vancouver
Vessel Name: Ka Hale Kai
Vessel Model: 52' Cheoy Lee
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 158
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Bowline
Clove Hitch
Round turn & two half hitches
Truckers Hitch
Zepplin Bend
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06-15-2018, 02:09 AM
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#24
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Veteran Member
City: gibsons
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 55
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Rolling hitch/Clove hitch
Bowline
Buntline hitch
Figure 8
Truckers hitch
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06-15-2018, 07:14 AM
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#25
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 6,973
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Of the knots and hitches we use routinely... only a few happen during a normal transit.
Bowline, trucker's hitch (securing the dinghy), Figure 8 stoppers (for the whips through our fenders... and these are all mostly static, usually not (!) tied anew every day.
But arriving at a transient dock usually sees us just using cleat hitches (knot, or not) or clove hitches, sometimes maybe two half hitches, and cow hitches for the fenders.
-Chris
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06-15-2018, 07:18 AM
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#26
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabre602
You're required to have two 50-foot lock lines, each with an eye at least 12 inches in diameter. Bowlines are fine in lieu of a spliced loop. If you're locking up from salt water to the Ship Canal at low tide (in the large lock), they'll throw down a light messenger line because you'll be 20 or more feet below the edge of the lock. That's where the sheet bend comes in. If they have scores of boats to cram in there, as they often do on nice summer weekends, they appreciate not having to untie the tangles that a lot of folks create.
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Got it. My concern on the sheet bend is that it requires the messenger end to be kept somewhat taut to keep the pinch point. Whereas a bowline, while it take a few seconds longer to undo, will keep. Or do you find the sheet bend holds regardless?
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06-15-2018, 07:20 AM
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#27
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nmuir
Zepplin Bend
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Had to look that one up!
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06-15-2018, 08:14 AM
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#28
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Guru
City: Cary, NC
Vessel Name: Skinny Dippin'
Vessel Model: Navigator 4200 Classic
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,841
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
And you guys don't have shoe laces? 
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Nope.
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(NOT a trawler)
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06-15-2018, 09:22 AM
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Guru
City: Stuart FL
Vessel Name: Lucky Lucky
Vessel Model: Pacific Mariner 65
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,746
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Holy crap---that's my shoes!!
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Lucky Lucky
Stuart, FL
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06-15-2018, 10:09 AM
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#30
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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06-15-2018, 10:11 AM
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#31
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Senior Member
City: North NJ
Vessel Name: Bassey
Vessel Model: 17' Bass
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 438
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedtree
7, 8, and 9
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That's why 6 is afraid of 7!
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06-15-2018, 10:27 AM
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#32
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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I prefer 17 knots on high plane. LOL
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06-15-2018, 12:12 PM
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#33
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,045
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
Got it. My concern on the sheet bend is that it requires the messenger end to be kept somewhat taut to keep the pinch point. Whereas a bowline, while it take a few seconds longer to undo, will keep. Or do you find the sheet bend holds regardless?
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Rarely use a sheet bend, but I did use it with a mooring hook (can’t recall the name but it is pretty nice) that used a small messenger to pass the mooring line through the ring on the top of a mooring ball.
The messenger would sometimes slip so I ended up using a sheet bend with an extra wrap. Not sure if the knot has a name, but it worked quite well and was easy to tie and untie.
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06-15-2018, 12:26 PM
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#34
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Guru
City: Beverly Hills
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,371
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Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce
Double slip knot is tops. Used routinely to tie shoes which I do several times a day. Consider mastery the second most memorable accomplishment as a child.
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Mark, form two lace loops and tie a square knot with a extra locking turn. Never have to re-tie again.
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06-15-2018, 01:19 PM
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#35
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,045
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HiDHo
Mark, form two lace loops and tie a square knot with a extra locking turn. Never have to re-tie again.
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Back when I was a runner, I used a shoelace knot that would never come untied, was easy to tie, and easy to untie. It is essentially the same as the typical double slip knot with an extra round turn. I couldn’t describe it very well so I just demonstrated.
https://youtu.be/tJCXS7Pm0xs
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06-15-2018, 02:05 PM
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#36
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhays
Back when I was a runner, I used a shoelace knot that would never come untied, was easy to tie, and easy to untie. It is essentially the same as the typical double slip knot with an extra round turn. I couldn’t describe it very well so I just demonstrated.
https://youtu.be/tJCXS7Pm0xs
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06-15-2018, 02:12 PM
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#37
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Senior Member
City: Rockford, IL
Vessel Name: Du NORD
Vessel Model: Albin-25
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 350
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Bowline, Figure-8, 2 Half-Hitches, Reef Knot, and Sheet Bend, in that order.
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06-15-2018, 02:29 PM
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#38
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TF Site Team
City: Westerly, RI
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,055
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
Is a cleat hitch a knot?
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LOL, Nope.
Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
And you guys don't have shoe laces? 
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LOL, Nope. Flip flops, loafers, and I replaced my laces on my casual shoes with elastic laces and a slide lock. I haven't 'tied' shoelaces in about 18 minths. then again, I haven't actualy worn shoes in about 1 month.
I have a Wedding on Sunday, so this should be interesting Pants AND Shoes. Yikes!
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06-15-2018, 02:33 PM
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#39
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TF Site Team
City: Westerly, RI
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: 1999 Mainship 350 Trawler
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,055
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cleat hitch
Turn with 2 1/2 hitches.
clove hitch (often with 2-1/2 hitches as well.
Figure eight
Bowline (rarely, I prefer a Figure eight since it's more easily releasable/breakable)
Prusik knot
Fishermans knot
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06-15-2018, 03:41 PM
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#40
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Senior Member
City: Lake Ontario
Vessel Model: Trawler Shopping 35-40'
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 107
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrew
I have a Wedding on Sunday, so this should be interesting Pants AND Shoes. Yikes!
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Then you can bump a half-Windsor or four-in-hand back into your list, along with the shoelace knot, or whatever it's called.
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