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08-09-2022, 11:20 AM
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#12041
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Quote:
Originally Posted by socalrider
That was my first thought as well. That ship looks like it really irritates the water it's moving through.
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To me, it looks like a tug designed and never intended to plane.
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08-09-2022, 08:07 PM
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#12042
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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I haven't been into sail boats for decades.
But! - Today I saw this sailer go cruising by at a really good clip. Definitely no engine assist. That is a well designed sail boat hull... and a good captain.
Photo straightens when I punch it up. Good luck!
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08-09-2022, 08:56 PM
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#12043
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
Very nice. However hull design's bow pushes a lot of water!
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Art good eye but how could one miss it??
Like Mark (w the Coot) says …. A pusher or smasher my mistake. I think it was a slicer or a smasher. (this one’s a smasher) in the form of the MMS 55. No lazy curling bow wave or turbulence free stern wash. Must have lots more hp per ton than a typical FD boat. That would be about 2.5 hp per ton. Smaller boats tend to have higher numbers.
This is however typical of tug boats. I submit the MMS 55 has a historical link to tug boats. Like my old Willard had a link to sailboats.
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North Western Washington State USA
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08-10-2022, 08:10 AM
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Guru
City: Newport, R.I.
Vessel Name: Hippocampus
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 3,892
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08-10-2022, 09:45 AM
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#12045
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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This boat does something I had sometimes thought of but thought it would be too ugly. That is to have the boat cabin sloped down so while underway the cabin would be horizontal and easy to see out of.
Here it is and so ugly it needed camouflage in the face paint jog to cover the sins. Ha ha I can say freely what I think as this boat is surely not a TF’rs boat.
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North Western Washington State USA
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08-10-2022, 09:51 AM
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#12046
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 7,551
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
This boat does something I had sometimes thought of but thought it would be too ugly. That is to have the boat cabin sloped down so while underway the cabin would be horizontal and easy to see out of.
Here it is and so ugly it needed camouflage in the face paint jog to cover the sins. Ha ha I can say freely what I think as this boat is surely not a TF’rs boat.
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Axopar slopes the cabins like that (although not quite as much) on some of their boats as well.
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08-10-2022, 10:48 AM
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#12047
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Guru
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 651
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Guessing Game
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08-10-2022, 11:42 AM
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,196
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Holy smokes. Is that an offset, single prop design? Cheoy Lee maybe?
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"When life gets hard, eat marshmallows”.
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08-10-2022, 12:02 PM
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#12049
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Guru
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 651
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Quote:
Originally Posted by healhustler
Holy smokes. Is that an offset, single prop design? Cheoy Lee maybe?
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I added the picture of the prop as it is so unique. Almost as if the engine (Lehman 80HP) was an afterthought.
The boat was built by American Marine (Grand Banks). Only 10 hulls produced. If looking closely, someone familiar with older GB's would be able to see the similarities.
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08-10-2022, 12:10 PM
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#12050
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 7,551
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Quote:
Originally Posted by healhustler
Holy smokes. Is that an offset, single prop design? Cheoy Lee maybe?
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It wouldn't be the only one. Sabre built plenty of sailboats with a similar offset (and slightly angled) prop design.
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08-10-2022, 02:11 PM
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#12051
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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This motor sailer would make a very excellent alternative to electric boats IMO.
One could easily find a smaller more efficient engine than a Lehman.
Nice boat
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North Western Washington State USA
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08-11-2022, 05:57 PM
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#12052
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TF Site Team
City: California Delta
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: 1977 Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,728
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hippocampus
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That's one very cool looking boat but it looks like the fwd rails would obscure the viz from the helm.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
This motor sailer would make a very excellent alternative to electric boats IMO.
One could easily find a smaller more efficient engine than a Lehman.
Nice boat
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Who wants to hoist all those sails to get underway while listing?
No thanks!! As long as we continue to have access to diesel fuel, give me motors over fabric!
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08-11-2022, 07:27 PM
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#12053
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Guru
City: New England/Michigan
Vessel Name: N/A
Vessel Model: N/A
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 533
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Mahal: that is a Hugh Angleman design builder unknown. Offset props common on vessels of this type
Rick
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08-11-2022, 07:42 PM
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#12054
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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FlyWright wrote;
“give me motors over fabric!”
You mean engines? Could be confusing w all this EV talk.
I agree w garbler “Offset props common on vessels of this type”. Quite
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North Western Washington State USA
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08-11-2022, 08:09 PM
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#12055
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,834
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There were several threads in the past about mounting outboards on swim platforms. This is an interesting twist. An older 27' inboard / outboard cutty cabin with a replacement aluminum platform with substantial brackets supporting it. Add a four stroke outboard that can share the same fuel tank for a nice get home / trolling setup. Close inspection of the fabrication reveals a well thought out and well engineered conversion.
Ted
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08-11-2022, 09:16 PM
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#12056
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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OCD,
I should’a done that to Willy. But it’s barnyard ugly. Would be even worse on the rounded stern of a Willard. But better than Willard on the rocks of SE Alaska.
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North Western Washington State USA
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08-11-2022, 10:57 PM
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#12057
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Guru
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 651
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garbler
Mahal: that is a Hugh Angleman design builder unknown. Offset props common on vessels of this type
Rick
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Yes. It’s called an Angleman Ketch built by American Marine, Hong Kong yard.
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08-12-2022, 07:55 AM
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#12058
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWright
That's one very cool looking boat but it looks like the fwd rails would obscure the viz from the helm.
Who wants to hoist all those sails to get underway while listing?
No thanks!! As long as we continue to have access to diesel fuel, give me motors over fabric!
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Interesting video on Sharrow Props. You think they might provide a bit of improvement for our older twin inboards [and singles too]? "Boat Test" should run a comparison for our older boats' 3, 4 and 5 blade old-school design props to Sharrow. If the tests showed Sharrow Props nearly as much % improvement[s] as this video shows... well... there's the answer, what's the question. Of course new prop price is a factor. However, when need does arise for replacement of props then Sharrow might be an interesting alternative.
Sharrow might be missing a big market in regard to us old boys' classic boatie play toys!!
https://www.sharrowmarine.com/perfor...a2f7a-66058553
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08-12-2022, 08:53 AM
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#12059
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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Any time you buy a hybrid prop you pay a hybrid price and it can only be repaired at specific shops.
I vote No.
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08-12-2022, 08:56 AM
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#12060
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 7,551
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
Any time you buy a hybrid prop you pay a hybrid price and it can only be repaired at specific shops.
I vote No.
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Definitely expensive, but I'd expect if the design becomes more common, more shops will get the equipment to work on them. In the meantime, if using a prop like that I'd carry a more conventional spare, that way if there's an issue it's not a big deal if I can't get the fancy prop to someone that can fix it right away.
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