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Old 08-29-2017, 07:51 PM   #21
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We stopped at Coinjock. My wife had the beef, I had the fish. My wife said the beef was "OK". My fish was good but the vegetables appeared to be reheated right out of the can.

It's not a place I would return to or send someone to.
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Old 08-29-2017, 07:53 PM   #22
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The Dismal Swamp is still closed due to Hurricane Matthew. It should reopen in about one month .But the controlling depth is only 6' anyway. I took a trawler with 6'2" down from Oxford to Stuart last December on delivery. As I recall there was a bit of consternation where the North River enters the Albemarle, but it was fine. other than that I do not recall any issues. Further south we did have to wait for the tide in several places, Little Mud River, Hell Gate, Jekyll Creek.
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Old 08-29-2017, 07:54 PM   #23
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...and this ,my friends, is the epitome of a thread drift! From ICW navigation to prime rib dinners in 12 posts!
No drift. He was asking about the ICW Norfolk to Beaufort and Coinjock is a prime stop.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:00 PM   #24
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We stopped at Coinjock. My wife had the beef, I had the fish. My wife said the beef was "OK". My fish was good but the vegetables appeared to be reheated right out of the can.

It's not a place I would return to or send someone to.
I think the steak is average for a non-steak house, about what I would have expected. However, they promote the prime rib so and I know some who have touted it (although I think their prices have gone up too) but even a select grade adequately cooked steak would be better. The other things are probably average and fine for a marina restaurant. Decent place for a meal in a storm, just don't pay the price for the poor prime rib. We had people try their other items and said they were "ok."
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We have stopped in Coinjock 3 times. We always have the prime rib. We have not been disappointed. I guess we have poor taste? On the other hand, beef is generally not on our menu or within our budget, so perhaps that is why we enjoy the prime rib in Coinjock?
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We have stopped in Coinjock 3 times. We always have the prime rib. We have not been disappointed. I guess we have poor taste? On the other hand, beef is generally not on our menu or within our budget, so perhaps that is why we enjoy the prime rib in Coinjock?
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Travelling with the tides is some peoples way of doing it. In areas where there is enough tide to make a big difference, I can see their point. Behind the Outer Banks there isnt enough to even notice in most area and only 6 inches or so down near Hatteras and Okracoke.

I think travelling at low tide, you do usually see the best water to travel in if you dont have really good channel marking. Then there is the plus that waiting for water to lift you off may only be a couple hours away, not six ir so.

But I am not willing to plan my travel days that tightly around a tide. Most of the time there are known trouble spots to worry about, not long stretches. Those might be worth planning around if your draft and type vessel would encourage so.
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:45 AM   #28
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Travelling with the tides is some peoples way of doing it. In areas where there is enough tide to make a big difference, I can see their point. Behind the Outer Banks there isnt enough to even notice in most area and only 6 inches or so down near Hatteras and Okracoke.

I think travelling at low tide, you do usually see the best water to travel in if you dont have really good channel marking. Then there is the plus that waiting for water to lift you off may only be a couple hours away, not six ir so.

But I am not willing to plan my travel days that tightly around a tide. Most of the time there are known trouble spots to worry about, not long stretches. Those might be worth planning around if your draft and type vessel would encourage so.
When you're in Georgia with shallow water and 8' tides then planning all your travel based on tides may make sense, but in the ICW from VA to NC, with deeper water and very little tide, I can't imagine it being worth it.
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Ditto...."You had me until River Dunes Not to sidetrack the discussion, River Dunes is, indeed, a nice marina, but it is in the middle of nowhere and there is no reason to miss the wonderful town of Oriental when the Oriental Inn Marina is right there in the middle of everything."

I just made my third trip this year up to Portsmouth. Two weeks ago was a 5' draft sailboat with wing keel. Had plenty of water all the way. If you see a shallowing trend slow and search for the channel...it is there just not where you might be. We had plenty of water but as somebody else pointed out...watch your marks not the magenta line. Best advice given me years ago was imagine how a tug and barge would do the turns, etc. They come through there daily.
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Ditto...."You had me until River Dunes Not to sidetrack the discussion, River Dunes is, indeed, a nice marina, but it is in the middle of nowhere and there is no reason to miss the wonderful town of Oriental when the Oriental Inn Marina is right there in the middle of everything.".
I guess it depends on what you're looking for in a marina (and in a town). We didn't find a lot of interest in Oriental and what there was was spread out. At River Dunes, there's a beautiful pool with hot tubs, great luxurious showers and a nice clubhouse. River Dunes has a loaner car to take you to Oriental or other nearby towns.
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With the previous comments about the magenta line, I'd like to review its origin and purpose. The magenta line on the Atlantic ICW was first drawn in 1913. It was not meant as a chartplotter route. Chartplotters were not that accurate in 1913 I guess. It was intended just as a guideline. It showed you to enter to enter the Virginia Cut Canal, go through Currituck Sound into the North Carolina Cut, into North River to Albemarle Sound. Cross the Albemarle and enter the Alligator River, etc.

Unfortunately in recent years cruisers misunderstood its purpose and tried to drive the magenta line as if it were a route. So many got into trouble that NOAA removed the magenta line from many charts in 20113-2104. If you look carefully, you will find that the magenta line is missing from the latest edition of many NOAA charts, e.g 12204, 11547 and many others. It remains, in parts, on the ICW strip charts. In areas such as Browns Inlet and Mason Inlet, the magenta line is on the chart but it stops and is not drawn through the rapidly changing trouble spots. Further, if you look at the magenta line on the NOAA charts, it does not follow the exact same route as on the Garmin Charts or the Navionics charts. This has shown up several times in Active Captain comments where often people refer to the magenta line, not knowing that the Garmin line is not the same as in other charting systems. Bob423 and I are friends and collaborators on a variety of ICW projects, comments and routes. Recognizing that he is using the Garmin magenta line which is not necessarily the same as on other charting systems, he now is using navigation aid references rather than the magenta line.

For most of the AICW you probably could navigate without any charts, if you want to. There are plenty of navigation aids. If you decide to use chart as 99% of us do, it is important to have up to date charts in those areas around the inlets where the channel and the navigation aid placements change frequently. For those who believe that paper charts are the way to go, I will point out that there are 220 charts for the ICW charts between the Chesapeake and Key West. They are covered in two different USCG district NTMs. If you can keep the charts up to date without missing a single week of LNTMs, you are an animal!

For me, I use Coastal Explorer. It notifies me when there are NOAA chart updates . When I have good WiFi I download them. This activity on CE acts as a reminder to update my micro SD card of charts for the chartplotter. i run Navionics on my iPad. Navionics can be updated with just a couple of screen taps any time I want to update it. Have made many trips on the ICW with my own boat and on deliveries, and have not used a paper chart in years. For those of us using Garmin, they only update but twice a year. I do have Garminblue Charts on my iPad. I have many screen captures showing how out of date their charts can be; this was particularly evident heading south last year after hurricane Matthew. NOAA an Navionics were updated within a couple of weeks of the storm, showing the new buoy placement. The Garmin ICW charts were not updated until early 2017 .

The Magenta line was not meant to be used as a chartplotter route. If you use it as a route you will at some point run aground
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"Best advice given me years ago was imagine how a tug and barge would do the turns, etc. They come through there daily."


Great advice as the tugs are powerful enough to "push mud" and clear their track with ease.
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The Magenta line was not meant to be used as a chartplotter route. If you use it as a route you will at some point run aground
Yes and there was a fight back when the NOAA wanted to remove the magenta line. So, now, the NOAA is considering changing them entirely and actually making them match the channel and route. This is being called "the improved magenta line." Still don't depend too much on it, even when it is implemented.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/news/j...enta-line.html
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There was indeed a fight back. At the time I was the Managing Editor of Waterway Guide, and I was right in there with the others. Since then the line has been replaced in some areas. You will see it where it passes through some straight dredged canals in VA and NC, and where it crosses sounds in deep water, such as crossing the Albemarle and through the Alligator river. But all through SC, and GA, in places such as Dawho River, Ashapoo Coosaw Cutoff, Skull Creek, Calibouge Sound, Sapelo, Jekyll, Fernandina, etc. the line has not been replaced. These are the trickiest parts of the ICW. It does not reappear until you get to Pablo Creek, FL. Through SC and GA it will be very hard for someone sitting in an NOAA cartography office, to find a route that might be used as a chart plotter route. NOAA has no updated bathymetric data,for the ICW and the inlet transits are changing with nearly every major storm. The best we can hope or is that there will be some sort of a line which will wind through these areas to let mariners know which creeks and sounds are part of the ICW.
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Ditto on the route to follow, but not the channel.

Some turns are not obvious at certain zoom settings and the magenta line helps there..
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Good morning- we need to head south towards Florida from the Chesapeake Bay in a week or so. We are considering making the trip from Norfolk to Beaufort in the ICW. Our single engine trawler has a 6'8" draft and 18' beam. I've read all of the notes for the various sections of the route on Active Captain and I've had experienced captains tell me it's "a nail biter but do-able". Anyone out there done it in a deep draft vessel? Any advice?

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Hi Jeff, we have the same boat and did it late last year in the reverse. It's doable, however pretty intense. When we head back south we will be traveling mostly off shore. It changes daily and you need to watch at almost every inlet area, especially the smaller inlets. We kept very detailed notes when we made the trip. Unfortunately I won't be back to the US until November, otherwise I would send them to you. And also I am sure there are changes on what we experienced.
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Pay $18 for the Skipper Bob's Anchorage Guide. Then follow it page by page and you will be fine. As instructed, you will travel several areas at rising high tide. Which means you will have about five spots to lay up waiting for the next high tide. But don't be in a hurry and enjoy. We've done the trip 13 times. No problems when you follow the guide. Twice in one spot we followed the guides plotted route and sailed past a grounded vessel that was dead center in the ICW!

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Old 09-02-2017, 07:29 AM   #38
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If you are concerned with shallow spots, set your depth sounder alarm for a foot or two deeper than your draft and when the alarm sounds, slow down or stop and figure out what is going on. If you touch bottom at two knots you can back off.

Most of the AICW bottom is mud or sand, not rocks.
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Ditto on the route to follow, but not the channel.

Some turns are not obvious at certain zoom settings and the magenta line helps there..
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. As instructed, you will travel several areas at rising high tide. Which means you will have about five spots to lay up waiting for the next high tide.


There are no spots between Norfolk and Beaufort where you need to do this. The only places I know where you need to do this is in GA.
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