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Old 03-19-2023, 07:08 PM   #1
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I think I found her

Hello everyone. I think I found my trawler (very happy).

Trying to figure out how long it takes to get the boat throught the new york canals. The boat is located on lake ontario about 6-8 hrs to the oswego locks. I believe it is there that i will start my journey to providence rhode island.

Im pretty sure 1 day (24hrs) will be sufficient to get me from new york harbor to providence but the canals is what i have no experience with. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Hello everyone. I think I found my trawler (very happy).

Trying to figure out how long it takes to get the boat throught the new york canals. The boat is located on lake ontario about 6-8 hrs to the oswego locks. I believe it is there that i will start my journey to providence rhode island.

Im pretty sure 1 day (24hrs) will be sufficient to get me from new york harbor to providence but the canals is what i have no experience with. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Congratulations!

I traveled that route in reverse last year.

Figure a day from Lake Ontario to Brewerton. Without checking the log, I believe it was 3 days to Waterford. Have done 5 or 6 trips up and down the Hudson. 3 days gets me from Waterford to the anchorage behind the Statute of Liberty.

Now I do longish days and take advantage of the tide going up and down the Hudson River. I typically travel at 6 knots, sometimes 7 to take advantage of the tide.

If you need some anchorages or favorite places to tie on the Erie canal or the Hudson River, just ask.

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I agree with Ted's timing provided you run long days and don't hit hold ups at locks. If you get to Oswego in time you can tie up above lock 8. No power but it is better than down below unless you prefer a marina.
You can't get an early start as lock spacing is very close.
From Brewerton you can get an early start as its a long way to the first lock..
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My Bacchus website ( signature link) has some NY canals tips as well as some stop over info. Any specific questions ask away.
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How fast does this boat go? NYC to providence in a day sounds really fast to me.
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Old 03-19-2023, 08:47 PM   #6
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How fast does this boat go? NYC to providence in a day sounds really fast to me.
Its a gb36. 7-8 knots. Ill have a helper for that run. If not,,, 2 days. The new york to prov run i was thinking doing it straight. Its about 170nm so i figure a 24hr run should be fine.
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Assuming a 7 kt cruise and running the longest days you can, I'd expect 4 days from Oswego to Waterford. 3 might be possible, but I wouldn't count on it.

Realistically, if you can, take a little more time on the canals and the Hudson. It's an enjoyable trip.

Out of curiosity, where on Lake Ontario are you starting from?
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Assuming a 7 kt cruise and running the longest days you can, I'd expect 4 days from Oswego to Waterford. 3 might be possible, but I wouldn't count on it.

Realistically, if you can, take a little more time on the canals and the Hudson. It's an enjoyable trip.

Out of curiosity, where on Lake Ontario are you starting from?
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Realistically plan on more time. A delivery trip wonít go as fast as you plan. Weather and a new to you boat will see that you donít make as many miles as you think you can. Add in exhaustion, you donít do this regularly do you? So you will get more tired than you think. How many crew will you have onboard? We have done 2 major deliveries of boats we bought, and several shorter ones. On one long delivery we ran a boat from Seattle to LA. I had 4 other guys onboard so watches were pretty easy. 2 on and 8 off during the days. 3 on with 2 crew during the night. The other long delivery was with my wife and I. From the Potomac River to Saginaw Bay on Lake Huron. We took 45 days to do that one. There were multiple delays, weather, high water, wind, extremely heavy rain but fortunately no mechanical breakdowns. Add in the locks which can be shutdown at any moment with no notice.
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Old 03-20-2023, 07:06 AM   #10
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In that case, you're probably looking at 5 - 5.5 hours to Oswego (assuming 7kt cruise). You could get a good bit of the way into the canals on day 1 if you start early, but at the same time, Oswego is a decent stop if you have the time.
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I have to ask, why the rush? Understandable if you can only manage limited time off, but otherwise I'd suggest scaling back the hours and enjoying the trip if at all possible.
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It is best to not plan on making more than 40 or so miles in a day. Subtract at least 10 miles per day for every lock you encounter. (So. two locks and 20 miles would be a good day)

And you also better plan on a couple "no travel" days. Bad weather, boat problems, closed locks, etc.

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It is best to not plan on making more than 40 or so miles in a day. Subtract at least 10 miles per day for every lock you encounter. (So. two locks and 20 miles would be a good day)

And you also better plan on a couple "no travel" days. Bad weather, boat problems, closed locks, etc.

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In my opinion, that's a very conservative estimate. Personally, I find that with no wake zones accounted for, I'm usually pretty accurate with an estimate on the canal of 6 kts average speed and 20 - 30 mins per lock (depending on time of year and resulting traffic level).

For the Oswego Canal, for example, I've always been between 4 and 5.5 hours (usually close to 5) from Oswego to Phoenix (just below lock 1). That's about 21 statute miles (18.25 nautical miles) and 7 locks. Knowing that my 6 kt average speed is pretty accurate unless there's been a lot of rain and more than normal current, that's only about 15 minutes per lock on average (but none of my transits have been in peak traffic season).
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It is best to not plan on making more than 40 or so miles in a day. Subtract at least 10 miles per day for every lock you encounter. (So. two locks and 20 miles would be a good day)

And you also better plan on a couple "no travel" days. Bad weather, boat problems, closed locks, etc.

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That seems overly conservative to me as well. Not bad if lots of time and wanting to keep days short but that is up to the boater.
We figure one day from Oswego to Baldwinsville (heading W) or Brewerton or Pirates Cove (heading East) is very doable.

On the Oswego the lock tenders do a decent job notifying / coordinating with other locks. There can be an occasional hold-up for opposing traffic but isn't the general rule. Also locks 23 & 24 to Baldwinsville & Brewerton run longer hours in season.
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When are you planning to do this trip? The NY canals are closed now.

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When are you planning to do this trip? The NY canals are closed now.

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As soon as we do sea trial. If everything checks out im going to stay for a week or 2 and go through boat best i can to learn important systems and any small repairs that would stop me from going.

Im taking the owner of the vessel at his word the boat is mechanically ready for anything. But ill be the judge of that when the sea trial is over and has passed.

I figure a week or 2 to get me acquainted with the new boat should be fine. And then ill make the run.

As far as when, well, henderson harbor is frozen right now and the boat is in the air. They say mid april or so it should be fine. I would imagine by then the locks will be open or soon after. Im thinking middle of may


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We were entering the Oswego Canal from the Erie Canal early in the morning. We were the first boat into the canal. Got in the first lock and then waited almost 4 hours while they worked on the lift bridge that is just outside the lock. They couldnít get it to raise more than 3í. You have to plan on unexpected delays. No way to know what they will be. And no way to know how long they will be either.
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I would like to thank everyone for there replies. Very informative! Im not in a rush, i just want and idea of how long i should plan for. 4 days, 9 days, 2months a couple years??

After reading a helpful NY lock info page on Bacchus website and the replies im thinking its a 2 week run. I think i can do it in 9-10 days but figure weather, possible break downs or other issues i think 2 weeks will be good.

I am geared to getting it over with ASAP which basically means i dont mind running 12 hr days. The last leg, from SOL to providence im trying to plan to have a helper. Id like to make that run in 1 shot. Depending on weather I see that run to be a 24 hr run. So 6hrs on and 6hrs off seems good.
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As far as when, well, henderson harbor is frozen right now and the boat is in the air. They say mid april or so it should be fine. I would imagine by then the locks will be open or soon after. Im thinking middle of may

The canals are scheduled to open May 19th this year, so that's the earliest you could get going. If you have the time, you could always spend a little extra time traveling around on Lake Ontario before the canals open and the first few days of heavy traffic flush through.



As far as the boat and condition goes, if this is the GB36 I think it is, I've seen it out on the canals in the past and the owner is a member on here.
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Keep in mind that early in the season there is more water flow so they may close the locks without warning and you have to wait until the flow slows down. We had that happen just as we got out of the last lock for the day. The lockmaster told us they were closing the canal near us for the day. It may or may not be a problem depending on you plans.
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