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03-18-2023, 10:42 PM
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City: Martinique
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 7
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Catamarans, Marine Traders, Ocean Passages
Good idea. There are great, new, cats with Walk-around bunks. Very liveable and comfortable. Cost a lot of money. No relative inexpensive used ones with easily accessible bunks for two persons. Crawl out the end or climb over each other in the middle of the night to use the head. Sails and rigging or a power cat. Just not the space and easy comfort of a trawler. Money will buy you what you require, but if you don't have the money then compromise is necessary.
We are talking Marine Traders and similar coastal trawlers here. They are not built as Ocean going vessels, however some have made Ocean passages. It is not something I would do.
50 years ago I asked an experienced cruising sailor what he thought the best size sailboat was for extended cruising. His answer has always stuck with me. "As large as you can afford." There you have it.
No doubt, for the money, if you are not wealthy, a seaworthy sailboat is the better bet for ocean passages. If you want liveaboard comfort and have unlimited time and patience, making short one or two day passages, you can do that safely with a Marine Trader or similar.
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03-19-2023, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member
Vessel Model: Currently Boatless
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 397
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Whether or not a Taiwanese Trawler (or any asian built) is ocean capable really depends on the "design" and the "builder".
There are plenty of full displacement, solid fiberglass, asian built trawlers out there that are extremely capable. May not be easy to find, but they exist
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03-19-2023, 03:26 PM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 610
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mvweebles
Why? It's often said that a boat will take more than it's occupants. How is a Marine Trader not up to the task? What will happen?
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I also want to know!
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03-19-2023, 10:16 PM
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Member
City: Martinique
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 7
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Marine Traders, many models, builders
You are asking about "Marine Traders" and there are many models, configurations, builders and in various conditions. There is no one answer,
Some came over on their own bottoms from the far east. Some have crossed to Europe.
Find one that looks good, have it competently and thoroughly surveyed. Fit her out for your intended voyage and purpose. Don't go anywhere beyond your competence, experience and capabilities.
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03-20-2023, 06:02 AM
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,179
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6-months ago or so, TF members KSanders aboard his Bayliner 4788 and AKDoug aboard his Willard 30 departed Alaska bound for La Paz MX, something like 3500nms away. Neither boat would be considered by many an offshore boat. Know what? They had a great trip mostly day-tripping their way down the coast. BTW - the Pacific Coast, which has few harbors of refuge, is considered a pretty rough stretch of coast. Granted, headed south is the 'right' direction, but still, with a little patience, a very safe passage.
Marine Traders suffer from being 50-year old boats - teak decks leak and rust-out tanks. Windows need re-bedding and leak in heavy spray conditions. But trawler-design has decent hull forms for coastal cruising including open water with an eye towards weather, a good idea anyway especially if you have a spouse you'd like to have join you for the journey.
If there is a weakness on most non-full keel boats for coastal work is risk of picking-up a stray net or hawser. Not probable but possible to tear-out the running gear and sinking the boat in minutes. It's rare, but happens. A Kelly Peterson 44 sailboat was recently hit by a whale crossing the the Marquesas that tore-out the skeg-hung rudder. They spent 10-hours in their liferaft before being picked-up by fellow cruisers. Although my full-keel displacement trawler is well protected, I consider this risk miniscule and not much of a benefit - my point is most trawler-style and larger motoryacht boats can accomplish amazing trips with comfort.
So why buy an expensive boat like a Nordhavn or KK? They are good designs and very well built. Examples including engine room vents are well protected from spray. Fuel fills are embedded in vertical walls instead of deck-fills. Ports, windows, and hatches are well-built and resistant to leaks. Ground tackle is well designed including molded-in wells in the foredeck to channel away much. You get the idea.
Peter
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03-20-2023, 06:56 AM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 610
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt. Steve
You are asking about "Marine Traders" and there are many models, configurations, builders and in various conditions. There is no one answer,
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You had 1 answer earlier and basically declared them unfit.
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03-20-2023, 08:05 AM
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Member
City: Martinique
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 7
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Yep!
Not a go anywhere. Anytime boat.
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03-20-2023, 09:23 AM
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#28
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,179
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt. Steve
Not a go anywhere. Anytime boat.
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I think a lot of folks who aspire to cruising but haven't yet ventured far haven't quite figured out there are many ways to mitigate risk, and how unlikely encountering even Force 7 conditions are if you respect seasons and possess even a modicum of weather skills. Many seemingly modest boats are well suited.
But if the use-case is to ignore seasons, ignore pilot charts, and ignore weather forecasts, then I suggest your best chance at survival is a barrel adapted for Niagara Falls.
Peter
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