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Old 05-12-2018, 08:03 PM   #41
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I agree with you our 46 we love it but the inside helms is a waste of space and not to mention a bit more maintenance.
Hey it looks like you have a similar boat to one we are interested in. How do you like your boat? What are your thoughts on this one?

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Old 05-12-2018, 08:07 PM   #42
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......but the inside helms is a waste of space and not to mention a bit more maintenance.
We looked for 3.5 years before we found the model we wanted that didn't have an inside helm. It came with a small dinette which we use all the time. Besides, when running the boat the view from the flybridge is superior to an inside helm. If I were in a climate that is cold or gets a lot of rain I would have an inside helm.
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:15 PM   #43
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We looked for 3.5 years before we found the model we wanted that didn't have an inside helm. It came with a small dinette which we use all the time. Besides, when running the boat the view from the flybridge is superior to an inside helm. If I were in a climate that is cold or gets a lot of rain I would have an inside helm.
This boat in key largo has an inside helm, 3 bedrooms and also a small dinette. We were actually just talking about how useful one would be. Its good to know they are usefull. Plus it could give the kids another place to play.
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Hey it looks like you have a similar boat to one we are interested in. How do you like your boat? What are your thoughts on this one?

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Yes very similar I see some things I like about yours over ours
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:19 PM   #45
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Yes very similar I see some things I like about yours over ours
Would you mind PMing with some details? Wed love to hear your thoughts. Only when you have time.
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It looks nice in the photos. My only concern would be the 30 gallon holding tank. Is there room for a larger tank? We have 40 and consider it marginal. Would love to have the 80 gallon tank we had in a previous 46 we had. We have the 225 Lehmans. I think the difference may be no intercoller on the 185s. So far we love the Lehmans.
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It looks nice in the photos. My only concern would be the 30 gallon holding tank. Is there room for a larger tank? We have 40 and consider it marginal. Would love to have the 80 gallon tank we had in a previous 46 we had. We have the 225 Lehmans. I think the difference may be no intercoller on the 185s. So far we love the Lehmans.
I think it has two 30 gallon tanks. I agree, we have 30 gallons on our Mainship and its not enough.

I really wanted to find a boat with Cummins engines, but the Lehmans seem to be similar enough.
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I think it has two 30 gallon tanks. I agree, we have 30 gallons on our Mainship and its not enough.

I really wanted to find a boat with Cummins engines, but the Lehmans seem to be similar enough.
Ok. Then that would not be bad.
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Old 05-12-2018, 09:25 PM   #49
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A couple of PNW observations, Washington to SE AK. Boat size over about 50' excludes you from many small anchorages mostly due to swing radius. And if you don't have a lower helm, you will hate yourself as you endure the wet and cold.
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This guy doesn't to have any issue, false creek Vancouver, not tiny but pretty tight
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What is too big

Well interesting stuff. I had a 32' Ericson sailboat for 20 years, then it became too small. I bought a 1989 Lien Hwa 47. Much like the Marine Trader mentioned earlier. Loved the boat. Perfect for me. 2008 struck economically and I had to sell her. I recently desired a newer version of the same boat but, its like looking for hens teeth. Offshore 48's in late 90's were too costly. Meridians, not my style. Gave up on the age angle and we are now purchasing a 1991 Californian 55. Besides the cost of purchase, berthing, and maintenance I am concerned that it will be too big for the wife and I. By the way, she is the one who wanted it over a Cal 48 we were looking at. For me, I wanted a nice galley with a full size frig/freeze. A dinette, large sun deck with wet bar, fishing cockpit, heavy davit for a good console dinghy, etc. It was really hard to find a boat much past the '80s like this. Everyone wants to go for a sedan but I don't want to sleep in the V berth. Too bouncy, too noisy, not enough locker space. I had been shopping for about a year. Finally bought an old boat, well maintained. Sea trial is this coming Wednesday May 16th.
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we are now purchasing a 1991 Californian 55. Besides the cost of purchase, berthing, and maintenance I am concerned that it will be too big for the wife and I. By the way, she is the one who wanted it over a Cal 48 we were looking at. .
There will be no practical difference that would make the 55 too big for the two of you as compared to the 48.
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Don't like climbing ladders or long stairs or the exaggerated motion of a flybridge. Also, spent enough time in an open cockpit on sailboats, and usually get enough ventilation in a pilothouse bridge with 1/2 (Dutch doors) or two open doors.

Being able to easily to step off readily mid-deck onto a floating dock just three steps from the helm is very handy when docking.
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So we thought the same thing when looking for a boat, no inside helm. But one thing Ive noticed is its not always plensent weather and there are times Im heading up the ICW in the rain and Im soaking wet and pretty miserable and all I can think of is man itd be nice to be able to go downstairs right now. But another thing is with two kids they want to be downstairs and my wife with them. Gets a little lonely up there at times.

Im thinking the lower helm would be very useful.
I distinguish between a "lower helm" and a "pilot house". The pilot house being a separate raised space for operating the vessel with good visibilOn ity such as found on the Krogens, Nordhavns, Tugs, Defevers, Willards and others.

What I have seen over the years is that the majority of those with a pilot house operate the vessel from the pilot house rather than from the upper helm. Whereas the majority of those with a lower helm operate the vessel from the upper helm as opposed to the lower helm.


On Bay Pelican we used the upper helm at most once a year if it was a tricky docking situation because the visibility was 360 degrees.
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Would you mind PMing with some details? Wed love to hear your thoughts. Only when you have time.
Of course just sent you a PM I am in Germany working for a few more days but feel free to give me a call anytime
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Old 05-13-2018, 06:44 AM   #56
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Easy ladies. Were moving up from our 31 Mainship. We really want 3 cabins and that means upper 40 foot range. Something like a Marina Trader 48 from the 80s. We live in Charlotte, NC and want to move the boat around FL, Bahamas, and up and down the east coast. Are there any limitations with a boat of that size? We can get into pretty much anywhere with our 31 but it seems the larger boats slips are limited.

Maintaining two heads/holding tanks instead of one (for example) could be more work... but may or may not be a drawback depending on value to you.

We were looking at various larger boats that might be suitable for our purposes (really just a Happy Hour exercise) and decided that of two equivalent length vessels, one with 2 and one with 3 staterooms... we'd prefer the 2-stateroom version. Generally it means each area is slightly (or even largely) less-cramped.


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Were really interested in this boat.
We really want the space because of all the crap a 4 yr old and new born require.

Plus having 3 cabins means we could actually bring friends and family with us for overnights and nobody has to sleep on the couch.
About the last thing we'd want is "friends" on board overnight... so we even got rid of the sleep sofa... and gave the spare stateroom to the ship's cat.



But seriously, are the kinds different gender? If so, I'd guess you'll eventually need a stateroom for each anyway...


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So we thought the same thing when looking for a boat, no inside helm. But one thing Ive noticed is its not always plensent weather and there are times Im heading up the ICW in the rain and Im soaking wet and pretty miserable and all I can think of is man itd be nice to be able to go downstairs right now. But another thing is with two kids they want to be downstairs and my wife with them. Gets a little lonely up there at times.

Im thinking the lower helm would be very useful.
Can't disagree with you, but there are such things as enclosed flybridges.

Ours got a little chilly when we left Myrtle Beach in 22F last January, but the greenhouse effect got us further along without serious strain.

Here, I'm just mentioning that in case you come across a boat that is otherwise suitable/attractive but doesn't have a lower station...

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Old 05-13-2018, 08:43 PM   #57
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What are your thoughts on this one? It’s a 52’

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...About the last thing we'd want is "friends" on board overnight... so we even got rid of the sleep sofa... and gave the spare stateroom to the ship's cat.-Chris
I`ll wager the cat moving into the spare stateroom was more take than give.
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Our 34' Tolly tri cabin has great layout; interior and exterior. Occasionally spend long weekend with four adults aboard [us and two others] having no problem at all. Also had grand son stay weekends with us. 98% of the time it's just Linda and me with a fast tow behind runabout for added play time.

We looked at larger boats... for where we boat, decided to stay with 12'6" beam 34'er due to her being a great boat at LOA 37'. She fits really nice into 40' berth; which is available at majority of mariners.

I believe: When choosing a "pleasure boaty"... take all things into consideration. Remember - There IS a Trade Off for Everything!!
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I`ll wager the cat moving into the spare stateroom was more take than give.
Yep, you know how cat's work. What's hers is hers, what's mine is hers, what's yours is hers...

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