|
|
06-11-2020, 01:36 PM
|
#1
|
Veteran Member
City: La Sarre
Vessel Model: Mainship 40 Pilothouse
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 46
|
Hire someone to move a boat by sea
Hi, I'm a member here since not long but been looking for the right diesel trawler for a while now. I live in Quebec Canada and diesel trawlers are a bit rare over here. I found one in Florida that might be a good one for me. I have no experience in long distance boating and not at all on the Atlantic and with the actual virus I can't even enter the USA to go pick it up myself.
Is it possible to find someone to navigate it for me the the north of lake Champlain?
How much would he charge? If I can find a way to bring it here for a decent price I buy it. But in the actuel situation it is really a problem.
I bought a small Class B motorhome in the beginning of March in NJ and all paid but can't go there to pick it up. I'm retired and preparing for the style of life I'd like to have for a few years to come.
Please give me some solution for the boat. I've asked for trailer transport quotes but no answer yet.
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 02:13 PM
|
#2
|
TF Site Team
City: Seneca Lake NY
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 7,808
|
Welcome aboard TF
There are delivery captains that can do what you are asking about. I cant guess st price as I've never used one. Others here on TF have done that and will likely chime in.
There are issues now with delivering boats across the borders but I believe some have worked out a way using a delivery Capt.
Be aware that the Champlain canal from Albany to Lk Champlain is closed with an est openning date of Aug 10th.
__________________
Don
2008 MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 02:14 PM
|
#3
|
Valued Technical Contributor
City: Litchfield, Ct
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,775
|
Working from the bottom up, truck shipping will be expensive because for most trawlers you have to remove the fly bridge to get the clearance required. Figure $15-20K.
Hiring a crew is probably cheaper. I think you can hire a two man crew for about $500/day. A two man crew can only do daylight passages so it will take longer. You will need a three man crew to be able to go offshore but weather and fuel will be limitations.
I just finished helping a friend move his boat from Daytona Beach to the mouth of the Potomac River on the Chesapeake. I took us about 11 days, 2 of which were layovers to deal with problems. The north end of Lake Champlain will require another week probably, so figure 20 days if you don't go offshore.
David
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 02:18 PM
|
#4
|
Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,131
|
How big is the boat in question? Getting it moved that far is going to be really expensive. The trip could take a couple of weeks if everything goes well, no mechanical issues, no weather issues and no crew issues. I am guessing that a captain will cost 400 or more per day and a crew will be needed. Maybe ask for a TF member that lives close to the boat and is a knowledgeable boater go and look the boat over for you and take a boatload of photos. That way you may have a more realistic view of the boat and it’s condition. You can’t always believe the brokers opinion...
__________________
Boat Nut:
If you are one there is no explanation necessary.
If you aren’t one, there is no explanation possible.
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 02:55 PM
|
#5
|
Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,977
|
Where in Florida because there is a couple thousand lines of coast line here? Plan of you and/or a captain moving a trawler on average 60 miles a day (I just ran 1660 miles on a delivery in daylight hours, except two nights during 24-hour open ocean passages. A few days during weather delays and a couple of shorter days due to the relative distances between anchorages/marinas, and you have 55 miles a day at 7-8 MPH. Had I been charging my friend to mover the boat, the cost would have been $15,000 plus expenses. We only asked for expenses with was $6,000. I would opine that the average 40 footer +/- trawler from deep in Florida would cost far more to have professionally crewed to Canada than it is worth. Do it yourself and employ a captain to instruct you for about the first five days.
__________________
Rich Gano
FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 05:22 PM
|
#6
|
Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,818
|
I have done Stuart, FL to Chesapeake bay numerous times and from there to Waterford, NY once for the great Loop. My guess from Stuart, would be 4 to 5 weeks traveling the AICW except for NJ, with a 7 knot boat and 60 to 70 miles per day. Traveling outside will reduce time. Traveling outside around the clock will shorten time further, but increase crew and food costs. No guess on costs, but fuel, dockage as agreed, and other boat expenses will add up.
Ted
__________________
Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 05:50 PM
|
#7
|
Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,179
|
Goda
What trawler size and model are you looking at in FL? I ask only because the Great Lakes and upper East Coast are with many vessels possibly worth considering. And much closer to home for you.
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 07:00 PM
|
#8
|
Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
|
I'd figure 20 days or so at $550 per day for the crew plus fuel and other costs along the way and bank on a new purchase encountering some issues. I'd pay for a day of advance check out prior. But $11,000 plus fuel would be a reasonable estimate.
|
|
|
06-11-2020, 08:18 PM
|
#9
|
Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,293
|
I`m hearing the Irish response to seeking directions" If I wanted to go there I wouldn`t be starting from here".
__________________
BruceK
2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
|
|
|
06-12-2020, 08:03 AM
|
#10
|
Scraping Paint
City: HILTON HEAD ISLAND
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 186
|
I don't get all of the time estimates when we don't know where the boat is. It could take 2 weeks + to get out of Florida!
|
|
|
06-12-2020, 08:41 AM
|
#11
|
Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,818
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by GH41
I don't get all of the time estimates when we don't know where the boat is. It could take 2 weeks + to get out of Florida!
|
Mine was based on Stuart. Depending on boat location, you add or subtract from there.
Ted
__________________
Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
|
|
|
06-12-2020, 10:33 AM
|
#12
|
Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 7,068
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Godabitibi
I live in Quebec Canada and diesel trawlers are a bit rare over here. I found one in Florida that might be a good one for me. I have no experience in long distance boating and not at all on the Atlantic and with the actual virus I can't even enter the USA to go pick it up myself.
Is it possible to find someone to navigate it for me the the north of lake Champlain?
How much would he charge? If I can find a way to bring it here for a decent price I buy it. But in the actuel situation it is really a problem.
I bought a small Class B motorhome in the beginning of March in NJ and all paid but can't go there to pick it up. I'm retired and preparing for the style of life I'd like to have for a few years to come.
|
You've seen some of the other answers, so I won't speak to numbers, but...
Where in Florida is a big deal.
And then much of the trip, at least from Florida to New Jersey doesn't need to be "on the Atlantic. You can stay inside on the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway (AICW) from Florida to Portsmouth, VA... then north on the Chesapeake and south on Delaware Bay. Even after that, it only needs a short stretch of "on the Atlantic" before you get back into the river/canal systems.
And you're retired. Once things open up, might not be forever now, make the trip yourself. Bring your own crew, hire a Captain for the first several days, then have at it. Smell the coffee along the way.
Or do it in stages, Florida to Portsmouth, spend some time on the Chesapeake... leave the boat... come back and resume later... etc. Use your RV in the meantime...
-Chris
__________________
Chesapeake Bay, USA
|
|
|
06-12-2020, 02:19 PM
|
#13
|
Scraping Paint
City: HILTON HEAD ISLAND
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 186
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
Mine was based on Stuart. Depending on boat location, you add or subtract from there.
Ted
|
Your answer was reasonable. If the boat were in Jax (north Fla) it would be 1,200 miles from Lake Champlain by road. Probably at least 30% more in the ditch. Call it 1500. I don't know what the boat is but in another thread he mentioned a 42 ft trawler with twin 120 fords in it. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and call it a 9 mph boat. That's 14 12 hour days from North Fla before getting dinged fighting tides and pumping fuel. Don't forget about the oil change along the way. If I had to hire it out I'd budget 20 days and about 12K best case scenario from north Fla. For what it is worth... I made a trip from Orange Beach Alabama to Savannah Georgia in 3 days not running at night. We only burned 3,600 gallons of fuel!
|
|
|
06-13-2020, 11:53 AM
|
#14
|
Senior Member
City: Lynbrook, NY
Vessel Name: Grey Ghost
Vessel Model: Seapiper 35
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 150
|
Last July made the trip from East Rockaway, NY on Long Island to Ruskin, FL. south of Tampa on Tampa Bay in 17 days with a captain and myself. Had no mechanical or weather layovers. Total cost was approximately $14K with fuel, marinas (only on hook one night), food and captain's fee of $300/day (off season), air fare home to Annapolis from Tampa and car rental from his home to NY.
That was approximately 100 miles per day, at 9-9.5 knots, all via intracoastal with only NY to Atlantic city offshore (my boat is not a great offshore boat). Time can be cut substantially running offshore as much as possible. In 2005, I took another boat from Long Island to Waterford at the Erie Canal in 4 days, so add that to the trip to get you to the beginning of the Champlain Canal.
__________________
Paul Schlechter
Grey Ghost - Seapiper 35
|
|
|
06-13-2020, 07:04 PM
|
#15
|
Veteran Member
City: Deltoid Pa and LBI
Vessel Model: Hatteras 53MY
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 81
|
|
|
|
06-15-2020, 08:23 AM
|
#16
|
Guru
City: Vermont
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,077
|
I think pleasure cruising is being mixed with delivery work. The delivery crews I know all run 24x7 unless weather prevents it. Stops are only for fuel. 200nm per day is a good starting estimate, but will go up/down based on boat speed.
Also, I assume you have checked the boats air draft to confirm it will clear the various bridges? I think the Champlain route is 19’, but it might be lower.
__________________
MVTanglewood.com
|
|
|
06-15-2020, 02:23 PM
|
#17
|
Guru
City: Southport, FL near Panama City
Vessel Name: FROLIC
Vessel Model: Mainship 30 Pilot II since 2015. GB-42 1986-2015. Former Unlimited Tonnage Master
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,977
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedtree
I think pleasure cruising is being mixed with delivery work. The delivery crews I know all run 24x7 unless weather prevents it. Stops are only for fuel. 200nm per day is a good starting estimate, but will go up/down based on boat speed.
Also, I assume you have checked the boats air draft to confirm it will clear the various bridges? I think the Champlain route is 19’, but it might be lower.
|
My wife and I cannot run 24/7, and we deliver boats for hire.
__________________
Rich Gano
FROLIC (2005 MainShip 30 Pilot II)
Panama City area
|
|
|
06-15-2020, 02:43 PM
|
#18
|
Guru
City: Vermont
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,077
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by rgano
My wife and I cannot run 24/7, and we deliver boats for hire.
|
That’s a reasonable choice, but many others do run 24/7, though with a crew of at least three.
__________________
MVTanglewood.com
|
|
|
06-15-2020, 03:19 PM
|
#19
|
Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedtree
That’s a reasonable choice, but many others do run 24/7, though with a crew of at least three.
|
Most of the captains I know doing deliveries run daytime only as it's typically a crew consisting of Captain and Mate. I know very few running 24/7 and even they are only doing so at times, when the length of transits really dictates it.
|
|
|
06-15-2020, 08:24 PM
|
#20
|
Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,167
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Most of the captains I know doing deliveries run daytime only as it's typically a crew consisting of Captain and Mate. I know very few running 24/7 and even they are only doing so at times, when the length of transits really dictates it.
|
Depends on coast. Pacific Coast, little choice but run 24/7 except for fuel as TT states. Possible to break into shorter chunks but extends time enormously. When I was younger and delivering regularly, I did many 4-6 day runs with just one crew. Tough, but workable.
With exception of dropping boats in Florida, I have no experience delivering on east coast but my sense is skippers often run only during daylight hours if in the ICW, which makes sense. I could run all over SF Bay and Delta at night with not a care in the world. But put me in unfamiliar waters such as Puget Sound at night and I'd be a nervous wreck.
Depending on boat, TT us about right - 200 nms per day offshore (maybe a tad lower) up to Hudson River or so, probably 6-7 days or so, then you're into daylight running. I'd guess 3-4 weeks all in. $12k in skipper/crew fees. When I was delivering, skipper/crew fees were pretty consistently half of the total cost with fuel, provisions, crew transportation being the rest. Some spares and marina fees would figure in there too.
Net-net, probably budget $20k-$25k if boat is sound and skipper is reasonably competent. Can go up pretty quickly if either of those two assumptions are not correct
Peter
__________________
_______________________________________
Cruising our 1970 Willard 36 trawler from California to Florida
Join our Instagram page @MVWeebles to follow along
|
|
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Trawler Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|