Heads Up Alaska Boats

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

Originally Posted by BandB

I'd criticize the state and the press. It was a January 1 law and they allowed until June 30 or July 1 before enforcement, but no one knew. Normally that sort of thing gets all sorts of press and everyone then whining and posting on forums and everyone knows.

God point.

[sunchaser]

When entering AK by water through Ketchikan CBT does not automatically provide an entry number. In fact they have told us we don’t need one. Just like entering by air into US or cruise ship.

Better keep a good log book to show the AK Troopers.

[Gulf Comanche]

Louisiana has the registration law for documented boats too, $75 for 2 or 3 years, can’t remember. No state numbers needed on the bow, just the sticker on starboard/port windows.

[BandB]

Originally Posted by Gulf Comanche

Louisiana has the registration law for documented boats too, $75 for 2 or 3 years, can’t remember. No state numbers needed on the bow, just the sticker on starboard/port windows.

You cannot put state numbers on the bow of a documented vessel in any state, only stickers allowed.

[sbu22]

At the time I went through this baloney with Louisiana (2011?) The state required the sticker to be displayed with the #. Violation to display sticker alone. I just pay my $ and throw the sticker, envelope and all, in the boats document binder.

[dhays]

Alaska does seem to be an interesting state.

$24 for 3 years of registration? I bet that barely covers the state’s cost to administer the program.

Isn’t Alaska raising taxes so they can continue to give its residents their annual oil money rebate?

[ksanders]

Originally Posted by dhays

Alaska does seem to be an interesting state.

$24 for 3 years of registration? I bet that barely covers the state’s cost to administer the program.

Isn’t Alaska raising taxes so they can continue to give its residents their annual oil money rebate?

We do not have taxes in Alaska. No corporate tax, no personal tax.

Right now we are trying to get the oil money back that the last governor stole from the people.

Back when they started producing oil, a portion of the original money received was put into a fund we call the “permanent fund” as a savings account, not for government operations, but to be paid out annually to the people that live here.

Our last governor stole some of that money, to fund ever increasing state government and the new governor is working hard to give it back.

[dhays]

Originally Posted by ksanders

We do not have taxes in Alaska. No corporate tax, no personal tax.

Right now we are trying to get the oil money back that the last governor stole from the people.

Back when they started producing oil, a portion of the original money received was put into a fund we call the “permanent fund” as a savings account, not for government operations, but to be paid out annually to the people that live here.

Our last governor stole some of that money, to fund ever increasing state government and the new governor is working hard to give it back.

Just keep cutting out State government services until the petroleum revenues continue to cover it.

[markpierce]

Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction

Well Sitka is the training center for Alaska State Troopers. I believe they were on the docks as part of a education process. If the stern of you boat has Sitka Alaska or another Alaskan town they seemed to zero on that. Then the whole thing spread like wild fire here on the docks.

Ann's stern:

[AlaskaProf]

Originally Posted by dhays

Alaska does seem to be an interesting state.

$24 for 3 years of registration? I bet that barely covers the state’s cost to administer the program.

Isn’t Alaska raising taxes so they can continue to give its residents their annual oil money rebate?

There are two taxpayers in Alaska. Both are oil companies. Period. The fact that the price of crude is low, coupled with the fact that production is a small fraction of what it once was seems irrelevant. The current governor was elected on a promise to triple the unsustainable dividend. Those people will starve in the dark before they will tax themselves for an essential government service.

I'd like to tell you that I was prescient enough to leave before the crash, but it was much more mundane: My wife threatened to leave before one more Alaska winter.

[BandB]

Originally Posted by sbu22

At the time I went through this baloney with Louisiana (2011?) The state required the sticker to be displayed with the #. Violation to display sticker alone. I just pay my $ and throw the sticker, envelope and all, in the boats document binder.

It is illegal, a violation of USCG rules to display numbers on a documented boat.

[sunchaser]

Originally Posted by BandB

It is illegal, a violation of USCG rules to display numbers on a documented boat.

A documented vessel used for commercial fishing displays very large numbers in some states. It would seem AK is now requiring AK based commercial fishing vessels to display boat registration numbers if I follow ASD’s posts correctly.

[psneeld]

Commercial fishing numbers (permit numbers) aren't the same as registration numbers.


If Alaska decides the AK registration number is the same as a "permit number", I doubt the USCG will care, the numbers are different size and location and represent a different requirement.


Plus I am not positive, but the "large permit numbers" may only be fed permits only.

[Woodland Hills]

Originally Posted by O C Diver

Florida has been doing the same thing for years. You don't have to put registration numbers on the boat, just display the sticker that you've contributed to the state coffers. Just under $200 for "Slow Hand " per year.

Ted

$4 a year if boat is older than 30 years. Google Florida antique boat registration........

[psneeld]

Originally Posted by Woodland Hills

$4 a year if boat is older than 30 years. Google Florida antique boat registration........

Except he re powered his boat with I believe is a substantially different engine...may disqualify him

[Woodland Hills]

Originally Posted by psneeld

Except he re powered his boat with I believe is a substantially different engine...may disqualify him

Good question! The law states similar power if repowered, but does not clarify what that means. I’d argue that replacing a Detroit with a Cummins would be similar since they are both turbo-diesels. But it would depend upon current administrative interpretation of the regulations, case law, so to speak.

[psneeld]

Originally Posted by Woodland Hills

Good question! The law states similar power if repowered, but does not clarify what that means. I’d argue that replacing a Detroit with a Cummins would be similar since they are both turbo-diesels. But it would depend upon current administrative interpretation of the regulations, case law, so to speak.

right off the Florida application form…


www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BTR/87243.pdf

"A. Original Type Power Plant - Engine of same year and model that the vessel had originally.

now whether you are ever checked is a different story....

[Woodland Hills]

Good catch, I think I never bothered to look on the back for the definition.

[BandB]

Originally Posted by sunchaser

A documented vessel used for commercial fishing displays very large numbers in some states. It would seem AK is now requiring AK based commercial fishing vessels to display boat registration numbers if I follow ASD’s posts correctly.

Those are fishing permit numbers not state registration numbers. I repeat, the USCG does not allow registration numbers to be put on a boat.

ASD is referring to state registration for all boats. Previously it was not required for documented vessels. No numbers will be required for documented vessels, just decals like most other states.

[Todd2]

Texas has the same requirement. State registration, but only the sticker required on the front half of the boat (positioned stern of the USCG name). The states started doing this to collect taxes on documented vessels (and now it's an annual tax).

Todd