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11-19-2014, 05:40 PM
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Scraping Paint
City: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,745
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Originally Posted by Skinny
Seriously Marin, it sounds like your entire life was when 100LL was under $3 a gallon.
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No, my life's not over and I still fly on occasion, but not nearly as much as I used to. Partly because of my work schedule, partly because these days we tend to use the boats more than fly, and partly because our planes are currently leased out in Canada. And I haven't had to fly on dates for some 27 years now. 
Be it boating or flying, the price of fuel is almost irrrelevant, it's such a small part of the overall expense of owning a boat or a plane. When we used to fly up the Stikine River into the interior of BC, we would sometimes have to buy fuel from the operator on Sawmill Lake at Telegraph Creek, a little community on the river. Even in the mid-1980s, avgas was about $5 a gallon from this guy because it all had to be trucked in. And with an airplane that burns about 23 gph in cruise, it made for some expensive fill-ups. But compared to the overall cost of owning the plane, those fill-ups were a drop in the bucket, just as they are with the boats.
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11-19-2014, 05:54 PM
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Guru
City: North Carolina for now
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,348
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We love having kids on board. Sure you set the rules, but getting them involved in boating and life on the water is a real joy. The look on a kid's face when you hand them the helm, be it the big boat or the Whaler? Priceless!
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"There's the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and what some guy says he's gotten away with"
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11-19-2014, 06:33 PM
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Senior Member
City: Portsmouth, NH
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 169
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I don't, I learned to fly up in New England. I'm a transplant to Wilmington of about 3 months now.
Fuel in a Cessna 172 is about half the operating cost and the whole Cessna 172 operating cost is about half of a teacher's operating cost 
I guess it's all relevant, but fuel surcharges never help...
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11-19-2014, 07:04 PM
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,323
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All of my children have brought guests aboard. Family friends have brought their children aboard too and believe it or not nobody died and the boat still floats.
Enjoy your boats any way you wish but don't assume your boat will catch fire just because you allowed a child aboard. As has been pointed out here already, seeing them light up may soften your heart. Might even inspire the next generation of boaters.
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It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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11-19-2014, 07:12 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 12,802
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Skinny, I think that`s the first use of TF as an intro service. Good luck. Maybe add to your profile "moonlit beach walks, intimate dinners, country drives", kind of thing.
Back to kids on boats. Know the kids you expect and supervise, supervise, supervise. Carry the requisite number of kid sized life jackets.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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11-19-2014, 07:13 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 26,582
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Hey , different strokes.....as they say....
But we were all kids once whether we were idiots or PIAs.....
The people I respect in life are the ones that gave me the gifts of knowledge, fortitude, honor, respect, etc.
I have passed those along by serving in at least one career of serving and saving others.
I'm glad my boys are doing the same....and it's a better world because of them.
I am happy to have passed along the gift of boating also.
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11-19-2014, 07:34 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,522
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Having at least the number of adults equal to or greater than under-sixteen-year-olds is helpful.
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11-19-2014, 07:47 PM
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Scraping Paint
City: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinny
Fuel in a Cessna 172 is about half the operating cost...
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Boat, plane, or vehicle, there is a pretty significant difference between operating cost and ownership cost. In my earlier post I was relating fuel cost to ownership cost, not operating cost.
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11-19-2014, 08:15 PM
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Guru
City: Cypress Landing Marina (NC)
Vessel Name: Heron (2)
Vessel Model: '88 Cape Dory 28 Flybridge #115
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,305
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
I am happy to have passed along the gift of boating also.
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True that.....I remember distinctly the day we went to pick up our first saiboat....I was 4 yrs old. I'm 65 now. My dad taught me boating, I taught my kids......How could you ever not think of welcoming kids on board?
When my son was four (after many boating weekends of Jimmy Buffet on the stereo) he chirped up and said "Hey Dad, I'm a son of a son of a sailor"....
Needless to say I teared up a bit....Nuff said....
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11-19-2014, 08:27 PM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
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One related side-note: Something about my boat knocks out kids after about an hour or two of running. Maybe the purr of the engine, who knows. I've got a futon in the salon and invariably there ends up a pile of kids completely zonked out. Kind of warms the heart.
And yes, I have a CO monitor, it's not that!!!
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11-19-2014, 08:34 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 26,582
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski in NC
One related side-note: Something about my boat knocks out kids after about an hour or two of running. Maybe the purr of the engine, who knows. I've got a futon in the salon and invariably there ends up a pile of kids completely zonked out. Kind of warms the heart.
And yes, I have a CO monitor, it's not that!!!
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My Navy son used to crash on the bench in front of the helm on the flying bridge.
Now he has another 1000 feet of USS George Washington to nap on when he's not crewing H60s.
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11-19-2014, 08:36 PM
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Guru
City: Santa Cruz, CA
Vessel Name: Concerto
Vessel Model: 1980 Cheoy Lee
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,531
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Guests kids? Ha! It's my kids i have to worry about. Both boys and the dog have fallen in this year (while at the dock)
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11-19-2014, 10:03 PM
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Guru
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,815
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Skinny
do not let bruce fool you we all let our posts impress the ladys or advertise for them
mine just happens to be around for 30+ years but I still love impressing her
coffee in bed for the last 25 years does not do it alone
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11-19-2014, 10:32 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,451
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Wifey B: While we don't have kids we do love them. It's one thing not to have them, but some of the strong dislike, calling them idiots, and just hateful comments here on kids shocks the h... out of me.
We set rules for the parents and the kids. Rule #1. On the boat the captain is in charge.
Rule #2. Refer to rule #1.
The captain tells the kids what to do and not do and tells the parents what they can and can't do and how to keep them under control. Any problem the Captain stops the boat, The captain can remove them, ask them to leave. Now we've never had that happen because we've never had problems. Of course the fact I taught and typically had to handle 30 kids with no other adult might have something to do with it. Be captain of your own ship.
But if you can't stand kids then very smart not to have them on your boat. Would be very wrong for you and for them. But I'll tell you most kids are very good. Better than the so-called adults.
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11-19-2014, 10:35 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,522
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The T-shirt given to Giggitoni yesterday has the same thought.
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11-19-2014, 11:11 PM
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Guru
City: Portland, OR
Vessel Name: Our Heaven
Vessel Model: 1997 4800 Navigator
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 801
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Kids, have one and know the day is coming when he'll want to bring a friend. He knows the boat rules. Has grown up in a boat (not living aboard) from about two weeks. He is a child, we do have to remind him when on the cockpit always wear the life jacket. Don't lean over the rails. Isn't allowed up in the helm seating unless with an adult. Not allowed forward of the cockpit outside. Is told to be quite when coming into dock and leaving.
Now for others,
I have a safety briefing - break the rules and you don't go out again with me. So far no one has broken the rules.
When we have other children aboard they will be expected to follow the boat rules. I will go over them in detail. Should they break any of them, see the above for breaking the rules.
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11-19-2014, 11:58 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,920
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bligh
Guests kids? Ha! It's my kids i have to worry about. Both boys and the dog have fallen in this year (while at the dock)
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I'm not surprised, based on your Avatar. I suggest you use a boat where you can walk along the deck without getting your feet wet......
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11-20-2014, 12:09 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bshillam
Kids, have one and know the day is coming when he'll want to bring a friend. He knows the boat rules. Has grown up in a boat (not living aboard) from about two weeks. He is a child, we do have to remind him when on the cockpit always wear the life jacket. Don't lean over the rails. Isn't allowed up in the helm seating unless with an adult. Not allowed forward of the cockpit outside. Is told to be quite when coming into dock and leaving.
Now for others,
I have a safety briefing - break the rules and you don't go out again with me. So far no one has broken the rules.
When we have other children aboard they will be expected to follow the boat rules. I will go over them in detail. Should they break any of them, see the above for breaking the rules.
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We have a thorough briefing on our rules for all new guests regardless of age.
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11-20-2014, 12:19 AM
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Senior Member
City: La Conner
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 119
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guest´s kids on board
 
One of the proudest moments as a father was giving my boys a job to do on the beach while we cruised from a anchorage to Fife Sound. They found us a hour or two later navigating Queen Charlotte Strait by themselves.
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11-20-2014, 12:20 AM
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#60
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,522
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I'm a strong advocate of wide decks and high-strong railings.
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