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08-22-2017, 01:10 AM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
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Ask your berth neighbors how they negotiate the marina. If they all have twin engines or a bow thruster, you may be in trouble. Nevertheless, a hard rudder (either port or starboard) with a several-second burst of throttle while in gear will make a tight turn. Nevertheless, I'd be more concerned about the capability to dock in your cramped situation. If you can dock, you should be able to exit.
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08-22-2017, 01:34 AM
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City: Sydney
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Speaking of overcrowding, here's my favourite snap of someone who was caring enough to hang an extra fender to help a neighbour.
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08-22-2017, 10:15 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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A couple of years ago when we were cruising in Montreal the marina directed me down the wrong very narrow fairway. I had to put the nose of the boat partway into an empty slip in order to turn around.
Yes I could have backed out but it was more fun practicing and watching the dock master sweat. 
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Ex boats: 1983 40 Albin trunk cabin, 1978 Mainship 34 Model 1
New Port Richey, Fl
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08-22-2017, 10:43 AM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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I just went online and did some measurement of one of the more popular and reputable FLL marinas based on mapping at some point in time. Found a very interesting but not unusual situation.
West slips 120', East slips 80'. Fairway 175'. Seems reasonable. One slight problem. Boat extending beyond slip on west side 25'. Boat extending beyond slip on east side 33'. So now boats up to 145' and effective fairway down to 117'. Design good. Use not so good. In fact, placement of boats makes no sense either as why is 113' boat in the 80' slips and not the 120' slips.
Same on their smaller dock. West slip 60', east slip 50' fairway 90'. Design fine. West boat 70', East boat 70'. Effective fairway 60'.
The issue is that nearly all marinas face a demand for slips larger than they have available. Some are rigid in their limitations. Others try to fit the boats in. So suddenly fairways are much more restricted and boats much more exposed than the design ever provided.
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08-22-2017, 10:54 AM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
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The fairway between my marina and the neighboring marina is 40'. The slips in my marina are 35' long, the neighboring marina's slips are 30' long.
My slip is an angled 50' slip. Angled because the fairway is so narrow. My boat, when angled at 45 degrees, with the dinghy on the swim step, is almost exactly 40' wide. I am fortunate that I am near the end, but when a large boat overhangs the outside dock on the neighboring marina, it can get interesting.
Here is a google earth screen shot. My boat is circled and I put a line where the stern of the boat behind me often it located (unless they hang over).
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08-22-2017, 11:00 AM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhays
The fairway between my marina and the neighboring marina is 40'. The slips in my marina are 35' long, the neighboring marina's slips are 30' long.
My slip is an angled 50' slip. Angled because the fairway is so narrow. My boat, when angled at 45 degrees, with the dinghy on the swim step, is almost exactly 40' wide. I am fortunate that I am near the end, but when a large boat overhangs the outside dock on the neighboring marina, it can get interesting.
Here is a google earth screen shot. My boat is circled and I put a line where the stern of the boat behind me often it located (unless they hang over).
Attachment 67937 |
Angled actually makes a lot of sense, much as in parking lots and garages, except they require boats to be backed long distances and many have difficulty with that. We have a similar situation on many canals around us. Boats have side tie docks and have to get to and from their docks by going forward one of the ways and in reverse the entire opposite way. For some boats that can be as much as 2000' of backing.
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08-22-2017, 11:15 AM
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City: Houston
Join Date: May 2017
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Undoubtedly twin screws but still...
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08-22-2017, 11:31 AM
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City: Dallas
Join Date: Jul 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CDreamer
Undoubtedly twin screws but still...
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Seen that many times. Impressive!
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08-22-2017, 07:46 PM
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureLooper
Seen that many times. Impressive!
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IMHO -Turn up the volume. Listen closely, thrusters are in play. A good twin screw operator can perform a wonderful demonstration, I doubt this boat is operating with just twins.
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08-22-2017, 07:51 PM
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Senior Member
City: North NJ
Vessel Name: Bassey
Vessel Model: 17' Bass
Join Date: Aug 2016
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I have a idea here hold my beer
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08-22-2017, 09:19 PM
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al
IMHO -Turn up the volume. Listen closely, thrusters are in play. A good twin screw operator can perform a wonderful demonstration, I doubt this boat is operating with just twins.
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I agree.
Twin screws and thrusters with very little wind. It would be a concern if he couldn't make it look good in those circumstances.
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08-22-2017, 09:24 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AusCan
I agree.
Twin screws and thrusters with very little wind. It would be a concern if he couldn't make it look good in those circumstances.
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It really wasn't a difficult docking although looked impressive. Had favorable conditions and a boat equipped for it. Now, there still are some who screw those up.
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08-22-2017, 09:25 PM
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Senior Member
City: North NJ
Vessel Name: Bassey
Vessel Model: 17' Bass
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I could do that if i had a slip with docks on both sides. I do it all the time docking to my port side as I pull my outboard up about 200' away if not more when the lake is low. Rigging it to auto secure and tie is another story.
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08-23-2017, 08:55 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CDreamer
Undoubtedly twin screws but still...
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Sorry, I'm not impressed at all. I could do that with my single.
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Ex boats: 1983 40 Albin trunk cabin, 1978 Mainship 34 Model 1
New Port Richey, Fl
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08-23-2017, 11:48 AM
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Guru
City: ketchikan, Alaska
Vessel Name: 'SLO'~BELLE
Vessel Model: 1978 Marben-27' Flybridge Trawler(extended to 30 feet) Pilothouse Pocket Cruiser[
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jleonard
Sorry, I'm not impressed at all. I could do that with my single.
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I was tempted to say that too, but didn't want to appear to be bragging!! 
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08-23-2017, 11:55 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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I will jump in too. With little wind and current, a single using a spring line would have tied up faster and been swilling a beer waiting for the twin to make it look pretty. 
Wind or current more than minimal, all bets off...
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08-23-2017, 11:56 AM
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City: st pete
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In no wind/current conditions one can take their time and it's rarely an issue... even solo.
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08-23-2017, 03:23 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Al
I was tempted to say that too, but didn't want to appear to be bragging!! |
I just don't see that as a really tight spot unless I am missing something.
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Jay Leonard
Ex boats: 1983 40 Albin trunk cabin, 1978 Mainship 34 Model 1
New Port Richey, Fl
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08-23-2017, 04:16 PM
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Guru
City: DC
Vessel Name: Carolena II
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 32/34
Join Date: Aug 2012
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Getting back to the original issue, narrow fairways, we have that problem at our marina. It was built as a condominium marina, and the developer certainly did his best to fit in as many slips as possible. When we had our sailboat, we used a spring line that lived on the piling at the end of the slip to make the turn both leaving and returning. That worked very well as our sailboat had little torque and no thruster. Our current boat is a single with a thruster, so we don't need a spring, but we did use one last year when our thruster went out. We just tied off to the piling, put the boat in reverse at idle, and let her pivot around the piling until we were lined up. Dropped the spring and backed straight into our spot.
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