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Old 05-01-2021, 05:32 AM   #1
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Forward Slope Pilot House Windows

tell me about these forward sloping pilot house windows please.....

As I'm dreaming of a retirement boat and I'm looking around online, I've grown to really like the look of boats with this style. They just look smart to me....
kadey krogen, nordhavn, selenes have them....
other boats that I otherwise like the looks of such as Park Isle's Royal Passagemaker don't have them and for some reason I'm finding this to be something I'm putting into in the negative column.

I guess it seems like they might be good at reducing glare or reflections, they offer more shade and less greenhouse affect inside, seems like they might be a little less likely to have leaking issues since rain wouldn't be hitting them as directly.
What do I have wrong?
What am I missing about this design detail?
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Old 05-01-2021, 07:20 AM   #2
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I think you're right on all points. Glare during the day, reflections at night, less solar gain and likely improved water-tightness. What's not to like?


If I understand the opposition to them they look less "sleek" possibly important at speeds much higher than the average trawler will ever see. Baring of course, finding the edge of the planet.
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Old 05-01-2021, 09:36 AM   #3
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I am no expert, but I seem to recall reading and hearing about their ability to withstand green water impact as well. I can see why a flat surface would concentrate a load, but not completely clear on the forward sloping surface. I guess any angular surface will disperse load more quickly than a flat one? I could also be mis-remembering the conversation.
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Old 05-01-2021, 10:37 AM   #4
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More room for mounting electronics above them without being right in your face.
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We have EZ2CY front panels on our flybridge. I deliberately did a negative angle on them when we put the hardtop on the boat. It does eliminate glare and reflections at night. In a gentile rain we can even leave the panels hinged open if we want to. And it makes the flybridge just feel more spacious.
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Crewed on an Italian cruiser delivering from Charleston to Ft Lauderdale. Big backward slope, looked sleek. Spray stuck to it all the time, hot in the nav console, kept hitting my head on it. I think for slower boats, they should follow mostly commercial practice and tilt them forward from the helm station.
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Old 05-01-2021, 10:58 AM   #7
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I guess it seems like they might be good at reducing glare or reflections, they offer more shade and less greenhouse affect inside, seems like they might be a little less likely to have leaking issues since rain wouldn't be hitting them as directly.
What do I have wrong?
What am I missing about this design detail?
I couldn't agree more! I am now 80 years old and continue to believe that the mounted angle of the windows in question is the best approach for a trawler speed boat.
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Old 05-01-2021, 12:23 PM   #8
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I have my windshields tilted aft at the top. Does look more sleek. But it is a PITA in summer sun. I have to put a sun shield in front of my laptop to keep it from frying.
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tell me about these forward sloping pilot house windows please.....

I guess it seems like they might be good at reducing glare or reflections, they offer more shade and less greenhouse affect inside, seems like they might be a little less likely to have leaking issues since rain wouldn't be hitting them as directly.
What do I have wrong?
What am I missing about this design detail?
Skyhawk, I think you have it right on every point, and you are missing nothing. Forward-raked windows also tend to accumulate less rainfall in a light drizzle, making less work for wiper blades. SoF's point about more space for electronics over the helm station is a bonus.

They look work-boatish to me, which is another bonus, IMO.
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But where will the Admiral stretch out if they are reverse slope?
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Old 05-01-2021, 04:59 PM   #12
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I have had boats with windows slanting both ways. I have had green water take out the rear slanting windows but never ones with forward slant. I do not care how it looks if it keeps me dry and not spitting glass
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Functionally, forward sloped windows are nice. A mild back-slope isn't too bad either, but I don't love the 45-ish degree slope of my windshields. Good wipers are a must with them, and it also means more glass area to get a big enough vertical view. I'd much rather have them stood up a bit more (maybe a 20 degree rake like a 60s Chris Craft).



My windshields are up high enough that green water hitting them isn't a concern. If I'm taking green water over the cabin top to the windshields on this boat, the boat is already in serious danger. Space between the helm and the windshields isn't an issue though, as the windshields are several feet forward of the helm console. So if I wanted, overhead electronics are possible even with the sloped back windshields (the tops of them are still plenty far forward).
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Smaller so less area to clean and closer so easier to clean, both inside and out.
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But where will the Admiral stretch out if they are reverse slope?
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Fair point....
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A functional downside to forward raked windows -
if you boat in very cold WX where ice build up on the blades is a possibility, you need very strong springs to keep the wiper blade in contact with the glass along with heat traced glass, etc.


That being said, my boats windows are slightly raked forward with a nice brow which helps keep things dry(er) in typical PNW / BC / AK WX.
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Mine are raked forward, I took one look and fell in love. Less glare is a plus too.
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Love forward raked windows. Reduced heat, glare and love the look on my NP 45.
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A functional downside to forward raked windows -
if you boat in very cold WX where ice build up on the blades is a possibility, you need very strong springs to keep the wiper blade in contact with the glass along with heat traced glass, etc.


That being said, my boats windows are slightly raked forward with a nice brow which helps keep things dry(er) in typical PNW / BC / AK WX.
Ice work = Clear View screen...
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All work boats in Alaska from 25' to 200' have forward sloping windows. We gave up on wipers a long time ago (kept getting them tore off) Rain-x before every 3 day trip worked great.
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