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10-24-2019, 03:08 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle, WA
Vessel Name: Pau Hana
Vessel Model: 1989 PT52 Overseas Yachtfisher
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,676
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"Fake" vessel documentation request
It's that time of year- just received our annual "fake" documentation renewal.
Be sure to read your renewal form- the official one comes from the National Vessel Documentation Center (NVDC) in Falling Waters, WV, and should cost $26 annually.
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Peter- Marine Insurance Guru at Novamar Insurance Group (206-350-5051) & tuna fishing addict!
1989 52' PT Overseas yachtfisher
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10-24-2019, 04:27 PM
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Guru
City: Alexandria, VA
Vessel Model: 2000 Wellcraft
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,467
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Probably from the same bunch that charges you $20 to change your address with the Post Office, and tries to look like the Post Office site, when the Post Office does it for nothing.
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10-24-2019, 06:14 PM
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Guru
City: Vermont
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 10,076
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Well, if you read it, they are at least clear that it's a "solicitation" and that they are a "private firm".
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MVTanglewood.com
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10-24-2019, 10:43 PM
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Guru
City: Bethlehem, PA
Vessel Name: Lady Kay V
Vessel Model: 1978 Hatteras 53MY
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,098
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedtree
Well, if you read it, they are at least clear that it's a "solicitation" and that they are a "private firm".
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Yup. They are pushing the limit with their formatting, but a half an ounce of reading comprehension sends it to the recycling bin......
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10-25-2019, 07:23 AM
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Guru
City: Alexandria, VA
Vessel Model: 2000 Wellcraft
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,467
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Just like with the Nigerian scammers, if 1 in a 1000 bite, it's worth it to them to try.
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10-25-2019, 07:40 AM
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Guru
City: Seattle, WA
Vessel Name: Pau Hana
Vessel Model: 1989 PT52 Overseas Yachtfisher
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,676
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The problem is that too many will simply see this and process their renewal- because they don’t know any better. The disclaimer verbiage is there, but it’s vague at best...
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Peter- Marine Insurance Guru at Novamar Insurance Group (206-350-5051) & tuna fishing addict!
1989 52' PT Overseas yachtfisher
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10-25-2019, 08:22 AM
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Guru
City: Palm Coast
Vessel Name: Southerly
Vessel Model: 1986 Marine Trader 36' Sundeck
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,231
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Just got mine too! Lol!
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10-25-2019, 08:33 AM
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Guru
City: Southern Maine
Vessel Model: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,714
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pau Hana
The problem is that too many will simply see this and process their renewal- because they don’t know any better. The disclaimer verbiage is there, but it’s vague at best...
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I think there's another angle. There are boaters, and I've met a few, who would much rather boast that "I pay a guy to do that for me" than to spend a few moments doing it themselves on line.
I happen to live in a town with more than its share of this type of person. Conspicuous consumption, arrogance, whatever you call it.
I don't understand that attitude, but I do understand why someone would take advantage of it. All the contractors, retailers and just about anyone offering services around here do. Oh, you live in Xxxx? Yeah, I'll be right over to give you a quote. Can I interest you in this exclusive line of Yyyy? We have a special service for high net worth people like you...
I hate the scammers, too. But sometimes you have to give them credit for finding a sucker.
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02-07-2020, 02:42 PM
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Guru
City: New Orleans
Vessel Name: Panache
Vessel Model: Viking 43 Double Cabin '76
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,253
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Just did my renewal on line. $26 out the door - no "convenience" fee. Took maybe 5 minutes.
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04-07-2020, 05:22 PM
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Senior Member
City: Richmond
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 308
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I just got my letter today, but from a company I've never heard of before, Vessel Documentation Portal.
Obviously, I will not be using them.
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04-07-2020, 06:41 PM
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Guru
City: Alexandria, VA
Vessel Model: 2000 Wellcraft
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,467
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We got our real renewal notice in last week. One of the fake ones came in about six weeks ago, and my wife fell for it, but I didn't! And, luckily, she handed it to me to pay instead of doing it herself.
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04-07-2020, 06:45 PM
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Guru
City: Here
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,940
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PT Barnum said ..........
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04-07-2020, 07:07 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,541
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...and W. C. Fields wrote...
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RTF
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04-07-2020, 07:29 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Regardless, don't renew too soon. Last time I lost two months: was to expire in December, but the renewal was just through October. Renewals are handled quickly. Don't renew before five weeks from expiration. And always deal directly with the USCG.
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Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
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04-07-2020, 08:28 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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I cannot confirm until I return to the boat but, I think "they" have decided to issue 5 year documentation certificates.
Let's face it, a yearly renews was costing them big bucks.
I had a Folbot.... 17ft long and each year the state would send me a tax bill for less than $10. Finally I called them and suggested the cost of sending me the bill for taxes exceeded the cost of sending me the bill, if they included all their personnel costs etc.
I suggested, if they never sent me another tax bill, they would be better off. He did not agree but, I never got another bill. LOL
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Two days out the hospital after a week in the hospital because of a significant heart attack.
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04-07-2020, 10:58 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Sea Sanctuary
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4588
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 4,993
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May I ask what this is for.
Being outside of US I do not know, nor do we have anything similar.
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SteveK
You only need one working engine. That is why I have two.
Sea Sanctuary-new to me 1992 Bayliner 4588
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04-07-2020, 11:18 PM
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Senior Member
City: Yelm, WA
Vessel Name: "Convergence"
Vessel Model: Camano Troll
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 399
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
I cannot confirm until I return to the boat but, I think "they" have decided to issue 5 year documentation certificates.
Let's face it, a yearly renews was costing them big bucks.
I had a Folbot.... 17ft long and each year the state would send me a tax bill for less than $10. Finally I called them and suggested the cost of sending me the bill for taxes exceeded the cost of sending me the bill, if they included all their personnel costs etc.
I suggested, if they never sent me another tax bill, they would be better off. He did not agree but, I never got another bill. LOL
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that's correct. I just transferred the documentation and renewed it for Satisfaction. Had the option for up to five years.
toni
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Toni Froehling
Day Island Washington
1994 Bayliner 4788
"Satisfaction"
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04-07-2020, 11:19 PM
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Guru
City: Here
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,940
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Soo-Valley
May I ask what this is for.
Being outside of US I do not know, nor do we have anything similar.
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Actually we do have something almost identical. In Canada we have "Registered Vessels" which are the equivalent of US "Documented Vessels". Our registration is issued by Transport Canada for 3 yrs. at a time but without a fee.
PS. I just looked up SOO VALLEY in the Transport Canada Ships Registry and have your full name and address in Delta, BC. Your registry number is 372674 and expires on 2022-10-31
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04-07-2020, 11:21 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Sea Sanctuary
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4588
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 4,993
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boatpoker
Actually we do have something almost identical. In Canada we have "registered vessels" which are almost the same thing as US Documented vessels.
Our registry is issued by Transport Canada for 3 yrs. but without a fee.
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OK, I know that one.
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SteveK
You only need one working engine. That is why I have two.
Sea Sanctuary-new to me 1992 Bayliner 4588
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