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Old 12-25-2017, 02:09 PM   #121
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So we disagree .... Big Time.
Been there done that.

That's where the boat "hails from". Where it's from and will go back to.
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Old 12-25-2017, 02:15 PM   #122
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HaHa Dan,

I would submit that the name of the port where the boat is moored is the only acceptable thing under the name of the boat. And if one feels like adding more perhaps the slip # would be the only option.


We so get it that you disagree. You neednít make your point over and over again.
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Our boatís hailing port at purchase was Coos Bay, Oregon, even though she had never been west of the Mississippi.

Despite the traditional meaning of Ēhailing port,Ē what matters legally is how itís defined by the applicable rules and regulations. Below is all that I could find in the Code of Federal regulations. Unless it is officially defined elsewhere in the CFR, the choice of hailing port seems to beóas the highly experienced documentation specialist that handled our paperwork assured usó entirely up to the owner.

ß 67.119 Hailing port designation.
(a) Upon application for any Certificate of Documentation in accordance with subpart K of this part, the owner of a vessel must designate a hailing port to be marked upon the vessel.

(b) The hailing port must be a place in the United States included in the U.S. Department of Commerce's Federal Information Processing Standards Publication 55DC.

(c) The hailing port must include the State, territory, or possession in which it is located.

(d) The Director, National Vessel Documentation Center has final authority to settle disputes as to the propriety of the hailing port designated.

(e) Until such time as the vessel owner elects to designate a new hailing port, the provisions of paragraph (c) of this section do not apply to vessels which were issued a Certificate of Documentation before July 1, 1982.

[CGD 89-007, CGD 89-007a, 58 FR 60266, Nov. 15, 1993, as amended by CGD 95-014, 60 FR 31604, June 15, 1995; USCG-1998-4442, 63 FR 52191, Sept. 30, 1998]
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Old 12-25-2017, 03:30 PM   #124
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So we disagree .... Big Time.
Been there done that.

That's where the boat "hails from". Where it's from and will go back to.
Well, that's not the intent of the regulation. In fact, it would be less effective if everyone chose it that way because there would be far more duplications. You can disagree with me all you want but that doesn't change the regulation.
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I've seen lots of land-locked hailing ports. Never let it bother me. They're complying with the law, so why should it?

It's a great conversation starter, asking why they chose that location.

Come to think of it, my boat doesn't "hail from" my hailing port. It's my home town, where the boat has probably been tied up maybe twice, and then only briefly. A lot more people have heard of that town than the one where my slip is located.
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Old 12-25-2017, 04:06 PM   #126
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Well that’s one thing the fishermen have right.
Never seen a fish boat w an inland hailing port.
Some things are obvious law or no.
But since so many of you disagree I’ll not mention it again soon.
Or being rude like Tom B.
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Old 12-25-2017, 06:58 PM   #127
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One of the previous owners did this and we haven't seen a need to change it (except the hailing port).
Pretty boat. I like it.
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Old 12-26-2017, 12:34 AM   #128
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So we disagree .... Big Time.
Been there done that.

That's where the boat "hails from". Where it's from and will go back to.
The "hailing port" is actually the Port of Registry. It matters not where the boat is moored. What matters is when you look the boat up in the Registry, you will find it listed, you will find its measurements, tonnage, registered length, etcetera, ownership, whether it is mortgaged. Of course, this only applies to a Registered vessel. One that is only licensed, (in the US, State numbers on the bow, name not necessary, hailing port irrelevant) need not be "marked" appropriately.
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Old 12-26-2017, 12:38 AM   #129
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So, why do many boaters use difficult-to-read fonts for their boats' names? That irks me, and wonder why USCG documentation rules don't help.
"All boats must have green hull and red sails"
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Old 12-26-2017, 01:05 AM   #130
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Old 12-26-2017, 01:10 AM   #131
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Iím documented and followed the rules.
Great pic of the right way to do it!

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We so get it that you disagree. You neednít make your point over and over again.
At least he's not quoting himself like some others.

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Well thatís one thing the fishermen have right.
Never seen a fish boat w an inland hailing port.
Some things are obvious law or no.
But since so many of you disagree Iíll not mention it again soon.
Or being rude like Tom B.
Thank you.

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The "hailing port" is actually the Port of Registry. It matters not where the boat is moored. What matters is when you look the boat up in the Registry, you will find it listed, you will find its measurements, tonnage, registered length, etcetera, ownership, whether it is mortgaged. Of course, this only applies to a Registered vessel. One that is only licensed, (in the US, State numbers on the bow, name not necessary, hailing port irrelevant) need not be "marked" appropriately.
Thank you.
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Old 12-26-2017, 03:06 AM   #132
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Old 12-26-2017, 07:42 AM   #133
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Right or wrong, don't think there is one on this subject though, I always thought the hail port was where the boat called home. Ships travel the world, go to many ports, stay away for long periods of time. When all is said and done the place on the transom was home. My wife and I both call Annapolis home, where we grew up, High School, home base when in college, got married and still have family. Although we left on our "adventure" and moved/lived in many places, none of them have ever really become "home". When it came time to name and document the boat we discussed our hail port. We bought the boat in one city and kept it there for a short period, moved it to a slip in another city a few hours away, and then to a slip in another city a couple of months later . All while having our brick and mortar home in a totally different city and retirement plans to move somewhere else in a year or two. With the difficulty and time needed to change USCG documentation I'm not going to change it to match the boats current location. There really is only one place we call home so that ended that discussion. Hey, it's a "pleasure" trawler not a work boat. A lifestyle, right? Everything is sort of open to interpretation, whatever floats your boat. That's my story, sticking to it.
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Ships may be the worst, they are flagged fo convenience, not even their home country many times.
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Ships may be the worst, they are flagged fo convenience, not even their home country many times.


Isnít it mostly for the tax advantages or regulatory statutes like labor laws?
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I think that's what they call it.. "Flag of Convenience". Less tax and regulations. I thought I read that this practice was being cracked down on but still exists. I think employee hiring and treatment are another benefit. Not if you are the employee though.
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This fed law that addresses hailing ports ... does it apply to documented vessels only?
And about how many boats are on this forum that are not documented?
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This fed law that addresses hailing ports ... does it apply to documented vessels only?
And about how many boats are on this forum that are not documented?
It applies to documented vessels only as there is no requirement or provision for naming of other boats. Non-documented vessels are identified by their numbers.
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I think that's what they call it.. "Flag of Convenience". Less tax and regulations. I thought I read that this practice was being cracked down on but still exists. I think employee hiring and treatment are another benefit. Not if you are the employee though.
Not really being cracked down on. Avoids paying taxes on income. For a great example look at Carnival Cruise Lines, basically a non-taxpayer. In addition, not subject to the employment laws of the US or of many other major western countries.

For private boat owners, the leading reason for flags of convenience today is to save money on crew expenses. They pay considerably less than going wages for US Crew and they avoid payroll taxes and other benefits.

Leading countries for commercial ships are Panama, Liberia, Malta, Marshall Islands, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Cyprus, Cambodia. Private boats in the US tend toward the Bahamas and Cayman Islands, Marshall Islands, and Gibraltar.

Many more private boats were flagged offshore from the US before FL lowered the maximum sales tax to $18k. Now, it's primarily done on crewed yachts.
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Try pronouncing the "real" spelling - Carquinez.
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