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Old 11-27-2017, 10:49 AM   #41
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The real problem is when faster boats slow down too soon. Then get antsy and throttle up at the worst point.... just ahead and still off to the side of the slower boat. Thats where the slower boat will be, just as throttle up was started and now get the biggest wake of all.

Keep speed on, quickly reduce power snd glide by and quickly cut in front so the slower boat is now inside the faster boats wake.

Works best with large faster boats and less than 8 knot slower boats. So it isnt universal, but the vast majority of larger power boaters in my opinion still time all passes poorly.
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Old 11-27-2017, 10:52 AM   #42
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I'm not sure I know what a "wakeless pass" is.

I know that staying on a plane leaves less of a wake, although my current boat doesn't plane. I know that going below hull speed leaves little wake, but if the boat I'm passing is going that same speed, the pass will never happen.

I know that what many small boats in "no wake" zones do, which is dropping the throttle just enough to come off plane and dig the stern in, throws up a much larger wake. But we are talking about a slow boat passing a slower boat here.

That pretty much leaves passing in a wide arc, so that the bulk of the wake is directed away from the passed vessel.

Is there another technique I'm not familiar with?
See my post. The key is for the boat being passed to slow down or take way off so that the passer can get by at minimum wake.
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Old 11-27-2017, 10:57 AM   #43
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Seems sailboats are notorious for having difficult to read/missing/covered boat names.

As a trawler that put's out a pretty good wake, I like to call them ahead and offer a slow pass. Problem is most times you can't find a name until you are pretty much alongside of them.

I try the 'sailboat near green marker ##' or 'sailing vessel with blue hull' but more times than not, I don't get a reply.

I've recently tried a newer tactic when they don't respond by calling 'Sailing vessel ahead of the trawler that's about to wake them' and it's fun to watch heads swivel to look.

Unfortunately, it seems that sailboaters don't have the same sense of humor that us Trawler folks have and I usually get a snide comment.
The other means I used before finally resorting to the loud hailer was horn signals, but about 5% of boats know what they mean or respond to them.

Whenever I got a nasty look from a non-responder because we rocked them a little, I'd hold the VHF microphone up, point to it and wave it at them. Yeah a lot but certainly not all of those sailboaters are humorless from sitting out in a cold cockpit with a lousy view all day.
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Old 11-27-2017, 10:58 AM   #44
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Perhaps its different rules for Documented boats... I find it weird that it appears the USCG will accept anything, even a place nowhere near water, as home port.
Not a case of "will accept." USCG requires home port to be the documted residence of the owner, which is why my 43-foot trawler appears to be from a minor seasonal tributary of the upper Rogue River.
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As a trawler that put's out a pretty good wake, I like to call them ahead and offer a slow pass. Problem is most times you can't find a name until you are pretty much alongside of them.
Sailboats appreciate it--will often even smile and wave--if you always pass on their LEE side and always cross behind them...except when impossible, in which case you might consider just hanging back till you can.

Passing to leeward isn't as important when they're motoring with their sails furled, but when they're under sail, even an express cruiser passing on the windward side at hull speed can cause enough air disturbance to literally "take the wind out of their sails." Whether they're under sail or motoring, crossing behind 'em just gives 'em a little "hill to slide down," which is lot easier than having bounce through your wake.
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Not a case of "will accept." USCG requires home port to be the documted residence of the owner, which is why my 43-foot trawler appears to be from a minor seasonal tributary of the upper Rogue River.
My understanding is that the "hailing port" can be your residence or the home port of the boat.
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Not a case of "will accept." USCG requires home port to be the documented residence of the owner, which is why my 43-foot trawler appears to be from a minor seasonal tributary of the upper Rogue River.
We bought our boat in Somerset, Massachusetts and motored it to the upper Hudson before dismantling and shipping to South Dakota. We had already changed the hailing port to "Yankton, SD" before we left and so from Newport all the way to Albany I was always amused when anyone thought our hailing port must be a waterfront neighborhood of San Diego. One person even asked if we had taken it through the Panama Canal. I wish. Someday maybe...
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§ 67.119 Hailing port designation.
(a) Upon application for any Certificate
of Documentation in accordance
with subpart K of this part, the owner
of a vessel must designate a hailing
port to be marked upon the vessel.
(b) The hailing port must be a place
in the United States included in the
U.S. Department of Commerce’s Federal
Information Processing Standards
Publication 55DC.
(c) The hailing port must include the
State, territory, or possession in which

it is located.

67.113 Managing owner designation;
address; requirement to report
change of address.
The owner of each vessel must designate
a managing owner on the Application
for Initial Issue, Exchange, or
Replacement of Certificate of Documentation;
or Redocumentation (CG–
1258).
(a) The managing owner of a vessel
owned by one person is the owner of
the vessel.
(b) The managing owner of a vessel
owned by more than one person must
be one of the owners. The person designated
as managing owner must have
an address in the United States except
where no owner of the vessel has an address
in the United States.
(c) The managing owner of a vessel
owned in a trust arrangement must be
one of the trustees.
(d) The address of the managing
owner must be as follows:
(1) For an individual, any residence
of the managing owner.
(2) For a partnership, its address:
(i) In the State under whose laws it is
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(ii) Of its principal place of business.
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(i) For service of process within the
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Not a case of "will accept." USCG requires home port to be the documted residence of the owner, which is why my 43-foot trawler appears to be from a minor seasonal tributary of the upper Rogue River.
Actually, the term "home port" is no longer part of CG requirements. It once was the location of the regional USCG vessel documentation, which is now all consolidated.

As to "Hailing Port" which is what goes on the documentation and the stern, the only requirements are they be an officially listed place within the US or it's territories, city and state. Hailing port simply means the port name to be called out. There are no rules that require it to be where the boat is kept or where you leave or anything else of that nature although most people do put it as the boat's normal home. It's really just a means of identifying which of the many boats with the same name, yours is.
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I got a kick out of the custom 49' American tug that was for sale last year. My wife and I had the pleasure of getting a tour and sharing a glass of wine with the owners in Belhaven NC last spring.

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I chuckle at the constant mention of sailboats that never use their vhf on this forum. If you read cruisers forum or another sailing forum, they all complain about the sports fishing boats that don't have their vhf's turned on.

I may have to check out a sports fishing forum to read about the trawlers who don't turn on their vhf.
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I chuckle at the constant mention of sailboats that never use their vhf on this forum. If you read cruisers forum or another sailing forum, they all complain about the sports fishing boats that don't have their vhf's turned on.

I may have to check out a sports fishing forum to read about the trawlers who don't turn on their vhf.
I doubt it is the bigger cabin types, maybe the smaller outboard versions that couldnt hear an hydrogen bomb with their screaming outboards.
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Actually, the term "home port" is no longer part of CG requirements. It once was the location of the regional USCG vessel documentation, which is now all consolidated.

As to "Hailing Port" which is what goes on the documentation and the stern, the only requirements are they be an officially listed place within the US or it's territories, city and state. Hailing port simply means the port name to be called out. There are no rules that require it to be where the boat is kept or where you leave or anything else of that nature although most people do put it as the boat's normal home. It's really just a means of identifying which of the many boats with the same name, yours is.
Interesting,
Hailing port and home port are official entities?
I’ve always thought they were one and the same .. and unofficial.
And I’ve always considered either one to mean where the boat was moored. Where it comes “home” to tie up.
And I’ve put down people that put where they lived on the stern as the home port. I could put Concrete on the stern of Willy but there isn’t enought water within 40miles of Concrete to float the boat. I see home ports on the stern of boats that say Spokane, or Yakima below the boat name. I think it’s ridiculous but I know many here do that.
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I chuckle at the constant mention of sailboats that never use their vhf on this forum. If you read cruisers forum or another sailing forum, they all complain about the sports fishing boats that don't have their vhf's turned on.

I may have to check out a sports fishing forum to read about the trawlers who don't turn on their vhf.
Wifey B: Yep. Always the other guy who is the problem, isn't it? Wonder if they've ever thought about the possibility the SF's do have theirs on, just don't want to hear their whining and complaining?

Like hubby's father wouldn't get a hearing aid although he clearly needed one. His reason: "I already hear more than I care to."

Amazing to me what a wonderful tool VHF is when you find people who actually utilize it.
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I'm not a lawyer, though I did sleep with one last night... but this is my first documented vessel and the application seemed to at least imply that the owner's residence is required.

I'd probably have done it that way anyhow, as that is more likely to be a stable address than the city of moorage.
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I'm not a lawyer, though I did sleep with one last night... but this is my first documented vessel and the application seemed to at least imply that the owner's residence is required.

I probably have done it that way anyhow, as that is more likely to be a stable address than the city of moorage.
Yes, but this has nothing to do with the Hailing Port. For the owner, a physical address of the managing owner is required. In most cases that would be a home, but some don't have a land home. Normally, they'll use the same address they do on their driver's license. If their locality accepts a marina as the physical address then that's ok. The reason is so legal paperwork could be served if necessary.
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Interesting...I could put Concrete on the stern of Willy but there isn’t enought water within 40miles of Concrete to float the boat.
Well, the irrigation ditch behind my house has about four feet, but only from May thru October......but Ashland, Oregon remains my hailing port, mostly because I don't want to buy new decals.
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For Federal in US; the only requirements for the name are that it:
1. Be composed of letters of the Latin alphabet or Arabic or Roman numerals and may not exceed 33 characters.
2. Cannot use a word normally used to request assistance
3. Must not be less than four (4) inches in height (all characters)
...and no restriction as to font style or color.

We know because we had to go through this process within the last year as the PO had already removed their boat name.
Lots of new owners buy a boat somewhere far from where they live and what's more: if they're new owners they may not yet have a permanent place picked to park it.
In this case a buying broker can help set the hailing port and if on the east coast, will often recommend a lower or non-tax state (why not if you don't yet know where you will keep her?). This is also common for great loopers who essentially keep moving from state to state.
It is true the hailing port doesn't have to have anything to do with where you live.
As for name, agree it makes sense to think how it will sound on the radio, perhaps limit the number of syllables, think about reciting it in phonetics (alpha, bravo, charlie, etc).
One other thing we considered; commonality. For example you look up say, "Nautilus" on a USCG search and I see 62 of them. no offense to that name in particular (it's actually pretty cool) but obviously you have to get creative if you want something others haven't used much......
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In this case a buying broker can help set the hailing port and if on the east coast, will often recommend a lower or non-tax state (why not if you don't yet know where you will keep her?). This is also common for great loopers who essentially keep moving from state to state.
It is true the hailing port doesn't have to have anything to do with where you live.
I know brokers push for Hailing Ports in low tax states, but by law, the hailing port has absolutely nothing to do with where or how the boat is taxed.
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