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07-18-2020, 06:10 PM
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Senior Member
City: Goldsboro NC
Vessel Name: Voyager
Vessel Model: 41' PT Europa
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 162
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Dinghy or no dinghy
How many people do the Great Loop without a dinghy?
We’re planning to do the Loop on our 41’ Europa Trawler.
I don’t want a dinghy on the swim platform since we normally board thru the transom door. I’ve got room on the upper deck for a dinghy, but I’d have to install a crane. We plan to anchor out some, but will probably spend most nights at a marina. Are there many moorings along the way, and what about shuttle services to and from the moorings? Don’t want to start out and then wish I had a dinghy, but if I really don’t have have one, I’ll spend the money on dockage.
Thoughts?
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07-18-2020, 06:16 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,119
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If you are as go to marina style 100 percent of the time...sure a dingy is not a necessity...it sdoes come in handy for certain emergency situations...but again not necessary.
I cant imagine travelling without one...but I like options.
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07-18-2020, 07:24 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle
Vessel Name: AZZURRA
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 54
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 4,281
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They make storable inflatable dingys that will take a 5hp outboard.
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07-18-2020, 07:39 PM
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Guru
City: Oconto, WI
Vessel Name: Best Alternative
Vessel Model: 36 Albin Aft Cabin
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,145
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You will wish you had a dinghy if you leave home without one. Make it work, you will be happy you did.
Many people travel with a kayak or two hanging from a rail or on deck. Maybe explore that if you are at all fit and can get in and out of one. Honestly, we look like something out of Beverly Hillbillies when we go on vacation. The dink on the back, an outboard mounted on the handrail, two bikes up front and two kayaks hanging off the side
pete
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07-18-2020, 07:41 PM
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Guru
City: North Carolina for now
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,348
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I can't remotely imagine not having a dinghy for maybe 2/3 of the Loop. There is so much to explore beyond where the big boat can practically go. And you will very quickly spend all the money otherwise invested in a davit and dinghy by staying at marinas and eating out, and be in the red from there on.
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07-18-2020, 07:47 PM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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It would be like not wearing a watch for me - I would just feel somehow partially naked.
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07-18-2020, 08:04 PM
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Guru
City: Gibsons, B.C., Canada
Vessel Name: Island Pride
Vessel Model: Palmer 32'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,409
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Nothing to do with the loop as I doubt I will ever see it but to do without a dinghy is some thing we will never do.
There are holding systems, Weavers, that can hold the dinghy up on the swimgrid and then release one of the arms while you are at a dock so you have an easy path to the dock, either side. It may take a bit of ingenuity to make the best of it.
We spend a lot of time in the dinghy exploring areas that we would not take the big boat.
I don't fish much now but I used to and it was from the dingbat, not the big boat.
Crabbing, prawning, same thing.
Take a tour around your marina to see how others handle the dinghy without a crane.
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07-18-2020, 08:34 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Propnut
How many people do the Great Loop without a dinghy?
We’re planning to do the Loop on our 41’ Europa Trawler.
I don’t want a dinghy on the swim platform since we normally board thru the transom door. I’ve got room on the upper deck for a dinghy, but I’d have to install a crane. We plan to anchor out some, but will probably spend most nights at a marina. Are there many moorings along the way, and what about shuttle services to and from the moorings? Don’t want to start out and then wish I had a dinghy, but if I really don’t have have one, I’ll spend the money on dockage.
Thoughts?
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Look at a davit system called Seawise. It allows the swim platform to be used while the dinghy is up. We put one on a previous boat and just loved it. It isn’t cheap but it is great.
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07-18-2020, 09:44 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,738
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Menzies,
I haven’t worn a watch for Over two decades.
Now that i-phones have the time why wear a watch?
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North Western Washington State USA
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07-18-2020, 09:47 PM
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Senior Member
City: Carefree, AZ and Ft. Myers Beach, FL
Vessel Name: Sea-N-Stars
Vessel Model: 1990 49' Albin
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 304
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Like everything else with a boat, the choices that revolve around the dinghy are all compromises. There are pros/cons to every system of storing them, as well as what type of dinghy to get. I completely understand the desire to not have one. No matter where and how you store it, there are disadvantages. I wish we didn't need one at all. We do need it, though. I cannot imagine cruising without it. We use it almost every day we are not in a marina, and some days when we are in a marina we still use it. You may cruise differently, but I would not be without a dinghy.
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07-18-2020, 09:55 PM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Menzies,
I haven’t worn a watch for Over two decades.
Now that i-phones have the time why wear a watch?
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How the heck do you strap an iPhone to your wrist - especially when swimming and snorkeling?
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07-18-2020, 10:37 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
How the heck do you strap an iPhone to your wrist - especially when swimming and snorkeling?
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Velcro works.
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07-18-2020, 10:44 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Sea Sanctuary
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4588
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 4,993
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
How the heck do you strap an iPhone to your wrist - especially when swimming and snorkeling?
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Swimmers model, only in merica.
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07-19-2020, 12:57 AM
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Guru
City: Beaufort, NC USA
Vessel Name: Sylphide
Vessel Model: Kingston Aluminum Yacht 44' Custom
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,228
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I've been asking myself the same question lately. I've effectively been cruising without a dinghy since September, and I've gotten by just fine without it. There have been a few times when I wished I had one, but I've never actually needed it.
If / When I do buy one, I'll go for a brand new 10' AB or Highfield aluminum RIB, with a new outboard that's big enough to plane with my big ass and some groceries aboard. The whole package will probably run 8 boat bucks, which is a lot for something I'm not entirely sure I need.
It sure does sound like fun though...
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07-19-2020, 04:37 AM
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Guru
City: Malmö
Vessel Name: ABsolutely FABulous
Vessel Model: Greenline 33 Hybrid (2010)
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 1,504
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I struggled with this one for years, before coming up with a "workaround" solution.
There are various davit systems designed for the Greenline 33, but I don't want any of that "stuff" hanging out there because it has the potential to get in the way and cause problems while locking, docking, maneuvering in tight places, etc. It also blocks much of an otherwise excellent line of sight from the helm. Furthermore, it increases LOA and therefore dockage costs. I also did not want to go with any of the various solutions to attach the dinghy to the transom, as this strategy would cover the boat name & port and make the flip-down transom/deck extender/swim platform feature next to useless.
I cannot put a dinghy on the cabin top, as it obstructs to much forward view from the helm.
I have a long hard top full of solar panels, but cannot put a dinghy on that, as it kills my solar production.
I ended up buying a medium-low quality inflatable rubber boat ($100-ish) thinking that maybe I'll get a season out of it and that I can use it to estimate how life might be with a real, high-quality, inflatable dinghy that I would try to store on deck in some manner after only partially deflating it.
https://www.amazon.ca/Intex-Seahawk-.../dp/B007OM7SK2
Amazingly, three years later, the $100 workaround is still going strong. I ended up getting a 12v electric pump for it to make life a bit easier. The rubber has turned out to be far more rugged than expected. It folds & rolls up into a nylon bag and is rather compact. I keep it under one of the hatches in the cockpit.
I guess this works for us because we use marinas ~60% of the time, tie the bow to a tree/beach the bow with a stern anchor out ~20% of the time and only truly anchor out the remaining 20% of the time...which is where the dinghy can come in handy, if we choose to go ashore (which is not always).
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07-19-2020, 05:08 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,818
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When I did the Loop in 2017, I would guess there were maybe 10% of the boats without a dinghy at the rendezvous. While I couldn't be without one, there were some that viewed travel days as dock to dock. The Loop is about getting off the boat and seeing the sites. For some, the interest is only on land and travel is like being in an RV with each day ending in an RV park with full hookup.
I carried a dinghy and a kayak. Because of what interests me, I used the kayak maybe 4 times as much as the dinghy.
One final thought, the dinghy needs to be quick and easy to deploy and recover. You never want the effort to get it in the water to determine if something is worth seeing or exploring.
Ted
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07-19-2020, 05:25 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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A dink does have use , even for a M>M adventure (marina to marina).
The simplest way to have a dink is an old used beat up aluminum John boat.
Oars or a DC trolling motor is light , and easy to learn to use.
Seldom stolen , hard to puncture , very low priced. 8-10 ft.
A simple set of blocks can pull the dink to most locations , drape a rug where the dink will contact as its pulled aboard.
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07-19-2020, 06:52 AM
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 7,068
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Propnut
How many people do the Great Loop without a dinghy?
We’re planning to do the Loop on our 41’ Europa Trawler.
I don’t want a dinghy on the swim platform since we normally board thru the transom door. I’ve got room on the upper deck for a dinghy, but I’d have to install a crane. We plan to anchor out some, but will probably spend most nights at a marina. Are there many moorings along the way, and what about shuttle services to and from the moorings? Don’t want to start out and then wish I had a dinghy, but if I really don’t have have one, I’ll spend the money on dockage.
Thoughts?
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Transient dockage at the daily rates will be huge over the course of the trip. Not to worry, if that's in your budget, but it'll be a very serious number.
A compromise solution could be something like an air-floor or roll-up inflatable, maybe with a small gas or electric outboard (or not, but they don't row all that great), maybe carried on your foredeck?
-Chris
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07-19-2020, 08:41 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 5,034
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Lots of boats put davits on the upper deck so the dinghy is out of the way of the platform and door.
An alternative to a crane.
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Ex boats: 1983 40 Albin trunk cabin, 1978 Mainship 34 Model 1
New Port Richey, Fl
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07-19-2020, 08:50 AM
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Guru
City: Port Townsend Washington
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,378
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Does the boat have a life raft?
If not your only choice if you must get off the boat is to swim.
If your not going to have a dinghy you might as well get rid of the anchor and chain, your not going to need it if you dont have a dinghy.
I don't see how you can go anywhere without one, and not be stuck on the boat.
The Admiral uses ours when she needs alone time and has had too much of me... go figure!
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