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01-26-2022, 10:40 PM
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City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
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Deep Water Port Nome AK?
Wow this could mean cruise ships in Nome. This won't go over well with the locals.
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2022/01...tructure-bill/
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01-26-2022, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction
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Why? The locals don't want a flow of new money into the local economy? They don't like jobs?
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01-26-2022, 11:52 PM
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AK's resource industry has been asking for Nome area port improvements for years. Several development projects in the area can now make further plans to move ahead, greatly aiding the AK tax base and jobs as the North Slope oil production winds down.
With no rail or interstate type road ties to the lower 48 in Canada, sea transport is essential.
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01-27-2022, 04:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction
Wow this could mean cruise ships in Nome. This won't go over well with the locals.
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Isn't Nome about 2500 miles North of Vancouver ? If they can't go from US port to another US port, that would mean 3 or 4 sea days , a day in Nome and then 3 or 4 sea days to get back. I also don't think any cruise lines are expanding right now or in the near future.
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01-27-2022, 09:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser
AK's resource industry has been asking for Nome area port improvements for years. Several development projects in the area can now make further plans to move ahead, greatly aiding the AK tax base and jobs as the North Slope oil production winds down.
With no rail or interstate type road ties to the lower 48 in Canada, sea transport is essential.
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What resource industry (fishing?) are you referring to and development projects? At first read I thought this was another bridge to no where but Sen. Murkowski believes it of importance with undefined benefits. Possibly of strategic military importance? Now that would be a coveted duty assignment.
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01-27-2022, 12:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HTurner
Why? The locals don't want a flow of new money into the local economy? They don't like jobs?
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Many Alaska Native groups and Native Cooperations do not want projects that would affect thier Subsistence life style.
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01-27-2022, 12:35 PM
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ASD.... don't worry $250,000,000 doesn't go far Look at the Port of Anchorage debacle. How much was spent on the Port McKenzie Bridge. Alaska project dollars are similar to boat bucks.
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01-27-2022, 01:02 PM
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Reminds me a little bit of Wally Hickel's idea for an undersea fresh water pipeline to California. Or was it a bridge from Wales to Chukotka, with a pylon on Little Diomede?
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01-27-2022, 01:20 PM
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Deep Water Port Nome AK?
Project Chariot also came to mind for some reason.
As for resource access, think mining - up river, offshore and generally around Nome.
But IMO it’s more strategic in nature, betting on opening up the race to extractive industry in the northwest passage as weather warms up there. I’m not expressing support mind you, but to many it’s smart.
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01-27-2022, 04:01 PM
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Looks like there is almost $1B going to various projects in AK. I'm sure there are some locals who don't want any advancements or improvements, but if AK congressional reps are fighting to get these funds, somebody in AK must want them.
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01-27-2022, 04:41 PM
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Let see. A road out of Juneau to connect to rest of Canada and USA
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01-27-2022, 05:01 PM
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[QUOTE=Alaskaflyer;1072304] Project Chariot also came to mind for some reason...../QUOTE]
From Wikipedia:
The project originated as part of Operation Plowshare, a research project to find peaceful uses for nuclear explosives.
WOW!!!!
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01-27-2022, 05:29 PM
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[QUOTE=Benthic2;1072361]
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Originally Posted by Alaskaflyer
Project Chariot also came to mind for some reason...../QUOTE]
From Wikipedia:
The project originated as part of Operation Plowshare, a research project to find peaceful uses for nuclear explosives.
WOW!!!!
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Wow is right! I never heard about it but just read it. Detonate 5 underground nuclear devices to create a harbor! That would be someting to see (from my TV on the East Coast).
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01-27-2022, 05:35 PM
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Ask the people who used to live on Bikini Atoll how that worked out for them.
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01-27-2022, 07:13 PM
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So out of curiosity, I looked at the port of Nome, and what this article says.
First, it identifies Nome as an EXISTING Deepwater port. So the funds are NOT to create a Deepwater port where one doesn't currently exist. Exactly what is planned for the money is unknown.
Then I started wondering just what a Deepwater port is, and it actually has NOTHING to do with water depth. So any notion of a Deepwater port being a magnet for cruise ships is silly.
So what is a Deepwater port? I too assumed it has something to do with a minimum depth for large ships. Nope. It's a dock or pier used for offloading oil and/or natural gas. That's it. There are no depth stipulations. The port of Nome, BTW, has a 16' outer channel, and 9' inner channel. But it's a Deepwater port today.
https://www.maritime.dot.gov/ports/d...ions#Question1
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01-27-2022, 09:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twistedtree
So what is a Deepwater port?
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Judge for yourself.
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01-27-2022, 09:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Sea-Duction
Many Alaska Native groups and Native Cooperations do not want projects that would affect thier Subsistence life style.
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Certainly true of many villages. A typical arrival at Sleetmute or Quinhagak involves a guy with an ill-concealed firearm asking "How soon will you be departing" (I speak from experience.)
Nome, on the other hand is rather cosmopolitan. Think of the crowd lining Main Street for the Iditarod finish.
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01-27-2022, 09:09 PM
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The USCGC Healy’s draft is 29’ 3”. A Zumwalt class destroyer’s draft is 27.5 feet. The existing deep water port will likely be made deeper.
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01-27-2022, 09:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kthoennes
Reminds me a little bit of Wally Hickel's idea for an undersea fresh water pipeline to California.
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I think Wally wanted to tow icebergs with tug boats. But history provides no shortage of examples:
Dairy farms on Point McKenzie
Port McKenzie
Grain elevators in Valdez
Road to Cordova
Susitna dam
Knik Arm bridge
Fire Island Airport
ad nauseum
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01-27-2022, 09:29 PM
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City: Walkabout Creek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaProf
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The charts show 21' where those larger ships are docked in the outer harbor, and the channel controlling depth is 16', so in and out at higher tide if you draw the full 21' at the dock. Now the controlling depth is just a minimum for the channel, so it might be deeper in areas. Even a mile out of the harbor it's only 50'.
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