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02-11-2018, 10:27 PM
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#161
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Guru
City: Sydney
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,646
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Have you considered a flight to Hawaii with Yeti Airlines
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02-11-2018, 11:24 PM
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#162
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Guru
City: Sidney BC Canada
Vessel Name: RochePoint
Vessel Model: 1985 Cheer Men PT38 Sedan
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,718
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
Guys can we go back to something more constructive ? This thread is turning to bashing each other what does not bring much to anybody.
Just my 2 cents...
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02-11-2018, 11:34 PM
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#163
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TF Site Team
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
Vessel Name: Now boatless - sold 6/2018
Vessel Model: Had a Clipper (CHB) 34
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 9,864
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
Guys can we go back to something more constructive ? This thread is turning to bashing each other what does not bring much to anybody.
Just my 2 cents...
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Like he said, or the phantom of the opera, will have to intervene... 
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02-11-2018, 11:43 PM
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#164
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Guru
City: Southwest MI
Vessel Name: Sobelle
Vessel Model: C-Dory 22 Cruiser
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,199
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashimi
Originally Posted by ssobol View Post
I guess the first question is why?
At 5 knots that is 21 days cruising (24hrs/day) over a whole lot of nothing. Unless you have to deliver a boat (but since you haven't even bought one yet this is probably not the case), to me it seems easier to fly to Hawaii and then charter a boat there for cruising the islands. Same thing in Tahiti.
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If you read my post more closely, you will see that I didn't tell you to do anything AT ALL. I asked a simple question, "why do you want to do this?" I did not say anything disparaging about your idea. I did the math and I ventured an opinion based on my experience in Hawaii that TO ME there seemed to be an alternative to sailing a boat for 2500 miles.
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02-11-2018, 11:48 PM
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#165
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter B
Like he said, or the phantom of the opera, will have to intervene...  
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Wifey B:
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02-12-2018, 01:12 AM
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#166
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Guru
City: Port Townsend Washington
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,291
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HOLLYWOOD
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02-12-2018, 01:22 AM
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#167
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 12,650
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"Oh Mr Hart,What A Mess":
But, it can be cleaned up.
[Pro Hart was a famous Australian contemporary artist. The St Bernard is called "Rembrandt", gotta love that.]
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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02-12-2018, 01:33 AM
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#168
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Veteran Member
City: Los Alamitos
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 73
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
Guys can we go back to something more constructive ? This thread is turning to bashing each other what does not bring much to anybody.
Just my 2 cents...
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I agree wholeheartedly and ask that those with loads of smarm at the ready, check fire.
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02-12-2018, 04:43 AM
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#169
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Guru
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 37
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 1,034
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
Elling Boats:
Really nice looking boats. Great finish and super materials. Salon, galley and state room layouts look a bit cramped. Down below for those features reminds me of being sequestered away in a sailboat with next to no sight capability for outside of boat.
I watched five [5] full videos of the E3 and E4 in use on the water. Showed a nice cruise at speed while in very calm water. In videos they never showed either mode Elling doing more than the slowest of speeds in choppy seas. So... I've no idea how they handle at speed in a good chop.

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Please enjoy, Elling moves agile in the rough waters
And
3 Elling boats Cross Atlantic, Russian owner
They did not have any stabilization equipment ..
Elling would have been really spacious and otherwise nice but too much climbing to board a boat cok pit height about 5-6 feet, as well as landing in the salon and as the age becomes more barely agility grows and all the goods, food drinks move up and down before the fridge and stocks; selector for Nordic tugs.
NBs
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02-12-2018, 05:48 AM
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#171
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TF Site Team
City: Ex-Brisbane, (Australia), now Bribie Island, Qld
Vessel Name: Now boatless - sold 6/2018
Vessel Model: Had a Clipper (CHB) 34
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ssobol
I guess the first question is why?
At 5 knots that is 21 days cruising (24hrs/day) over a whole lot of nothing. Unless you have to deliver a boat (but since you haven't even bought one yet this is probably not the case), to me it seems easier to fly to Hawaii and then charter a boat there for cruising the islands. Same thing in Tahiti.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ssobol
If you read my post more closely, you will see that I didn't tell you to do anything AT ALL. I asked a simple question, "why do you want to do this?" I did not say anything disparaging about your idea. I did the math and I ventured an opinion based on my experience in Hawaii that TO ME there seemed to be an alternative to sailing a boat for 2500 miles.
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I agree. I thought the first post was a very fair query, and not smarmy in the least. https://www.bing.com/search?q=meanin...logo=CT3210127
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02-12-2018, 06:11 AM
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#172
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Dauntless Award
City: Wrangell, Alaska
Vessel Name: Dauntless
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 - 148
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,812
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sashimi
I am doing research on my own, but when you look at a boat listing, they don't really say things like "not suitable for the passage from CA to HI, so I have to take things I glean from other sources, and attempt to bounce it off of "experts" in places like this.
I'm sorry my serious and legitimate inquiry appears to be a trifling to you, but I assure you it is not. No offense intended.
Your suggestion re: the Atlantic will receive serious consideration.
I am in total agreement with you on full displacement, but any sailboat would have to have an enclosed cockpit or at least a Center Cockpit. Right now I have back-burnered that option (sail) to explore this one.
Any thoughts on the Hatteras LRC?
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Ok
I'll save you the 5 years of looking, research and reading that I did.
If you have limited budget,meaning less than a million $, the Kadey Krogen 42 is your answer. Single engine, you can make 4+nm/gal which at 700 gal gives you 2800 nm. If you keep the rpms to 1400, your range will be 3500 nm.
It turns out the West coast USA to Hawaii is the longest passage you would have to do anyplace. I'm not interested because it's boring and once you get then then what? You are still a far way from anything.
Check out my blog, that may help.
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02-12-2018, 06:21 AM
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#173
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Dauntless Award
City: Wrangell, Alaska
Vessel Name: Dauntless
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 - 148
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,812
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sunchaser
Leg pullers (aren't we all) aside, there are several expensive (when new) power vessels under 20 meters that are purpose built for blue water travels. Many of these vessels hit the market within two or three years because the owners found they were:
-- not capable
-- not cut out for expedition type travels
-- not able to find suitable crew
-- underestimating the costs
-- getting bored
-- lacking time
-- getting old
-- filling their bucket list desire
-- with health issues
-- and in some cases loved it and sold the smaller boat to move up.
The market is littered with these discarded power vessels, now at much less money than new and in many cases lightly used.
Blue water capable sailboats equally litter the used markets, but at much less money. But like the now chastened power boat owners, dispirited, new and soggy sail boat owners are with a few more reasons to flee, lacking skills and athleticism and now understanding fear.
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Yes. What he said too.
That's also why it took me literally 5 years, well 4 years, 6 months, to sort through the BS.  There is a lot of it.
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02-12-2018, 06:38 AM
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#174
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 26,342
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Posts 171, 172, 173 sum up my morning comments.
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02-12-2018, 08:05 AM
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#175
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,332
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Thank you Richard! Been hopping you'd show up. Experience is the key... and you have plenty of it!!
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02-12-2018, 08:11 AM
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#176
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,332
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Quote:
Originally Posted by North Baltic sea
Please enjoy, Elling moves agile in the rough waters
And
3 Elling boats Cross Atlantic, Russian owner
They did not have any stabilization equipment ..
Elling would have been really spacious and otherwise nice but too much climbing to board a boat cok pit height about 5-6 feet, as well as landing in the salon and as the age becomes more barely agility grows and all the goods, food drinks move up and down before the fridge and stocks; selector for Nordic tugs.
NBs
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Thanks, NB! First video shows what I was looking for. Elling does move nice at speed in rough water.
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02-12-2018, 08:37 AM
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#177
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Guru
City: Marion, Massachusetts
Vessel Name: Wanderer
Vessel Model: Pilgrim 40
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 585
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Shashimi,
Having been offshore in a bad storm, I would not do it again in a powerboat. Not that there are not power boats that can do it, it's just that you get big real fast when going over the list of what boat has what capability.
You mentioned sail. Before I settled on a trawler I looked at sail for many years. If you want an aftercabin, the folks have mentioned the Fisher 37.
I also was fond of the Nauticat 37. (Anything that can do the North Sea, eh?)
I just don't see being in a production powerboat when the waves are as big as the boat.
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02-12-2018, 08:39 AM
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#178
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Guru
City: Satsuma FL
Vessel Name: No Mo Trawla
Vessel Model: Hurricane SS188
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,300
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Have neither experience nor aptitude, so nothing really relevant to contribute. But, I have done a lot of thinking about the posts in this thread since this is something I wouldn't mind doing if I were 20-30 years younger.
Some observations:
Would want to have a good autopilot and a good spare autopilot. 21 days at the helm isn't fun. Also, multiple sources of navigation.
What does one do for exercise on say a KK42 for 21 days?
Two engines would most likely consume too much fuel. Could get around the backup power fuel consumption issue by running one engine at a time or having a get home engine.
Will you really be comfortable going to sleep and leaving the steering on autopilot? If you plan on doing watches, the on/off schedule is really critical and difficult over a 21 day period.
Would not put any more financially into the boat than what I could comfortably afford to lose. Don't think a loan is going to hack it.
So, what do you do for entertainment? Sun rises and sundowns are great but there is a lot of time in between.
Be sure to have a good EPIRB, ditchbag and commo.
Would want to have fairly new batteries and also solar panels.
Water making? Stabilization? Both needed and translate to a fairly expensive boat.
It is complicated, isn't it?
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02-12-2018, 08:59 AM
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#179
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Guru
City: Marion, Massachusetts
Vessel Name: Wanderer
Vessel Model: Pilgrim 40
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 585
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Sashimi,
Actually a Banjer 37, might be a good fit. More of a motor sailer. Nice enclosed helm. Also ketch rigged. Not a lot of them stateside, but the prices are usually more than reasonable.
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02-12-2018, 10:32 AM
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#180
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TF Site Team/Forum Founder
City: League City, Tx
Vessel Name: Floatsome & Jetsome
Vessel Model: Meridian 411
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 7,277
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
Thank you Richard! Been hopping you'd show up. Experience is the key... and you have plenty of it!!
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Not according to Sushi!!
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