Cardude in Harvey bullseye

[Capt. Jon]

Originally Posted by Mule

"The federal flood insurance program was amended in 2004 to reduce repetitive losses (the "two floods and you're out" act)". Cottontop.

I have not kept up. I moved to Fort Worth and lived on top a very high hill so paid no attention to changes. Good to know.

There is also the 51% rule.

[MurrayM]

Originally Posted by Delfin

There's a fourth option. The science doesn't support your position and most are too polite to point it out to you, since you seem fervent in your belief system. Just a possibility to consider.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/...mate-alarmism/

Sorry, but I wasn't willing to pay to read the article by James Dilingpole which you referenced in your post. I did find an article in The Gaurdian about it (linked below) which was interesting.

(*Edit* Link working now...will read it, but have to go to work and will comment later.)

The Gaurdian article questioned whether such pieces should be published at all, to which the editor of the Spectator said in defence, "...every fact has to be correct. But there is no such thing as a 'correct' opinion".

The Gaurdian went on to say, "Delingpole, who writes for controversial rightwing news site Breitbart, was censured by the Australian Press Council in 2012 after he quoted an anonymous source who compared the wind farm industry to a paedophile ring. He has dubbed greens as "eco-Nazis" and in another article he ended a long list of people and groups supporting action on climate change by writing, "Truly there just aren't enough bullets".

The Guardian piece ends with a quote from Prof Sam DuPont at the University of Gothenburg, Sweden, "I am a sucker for conspiracy theories but you have to ask yourself what is the most plausible: hundreds of scientists from over 50 countries working secretly together to promote a false idea, or merchants of doubt with financial and commercial interests at stake working very hard to undermine the scientific evidence".

I've always thought of you as someone who carefully considers his opinion when it comes to giving advice or sharing experiences with the technical aspects of boating. Do you really subscribe to Delingpole's views, or did you quickly link to his article in a hasty bout of contrarianism?

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...press-watchdog

[BandB]

Wifey B: Three random flood thoughts.

The health threats in the flooded area are scary. A lot of dirty water for an extended time. For those of you who live in the area, are you concerned?

Irma is a typical Cape Verde hurricane. Now a CAT 3. Increased 58 mph in strength in 24 hours. Other Cape Verde hurricanes include Hugo, Floyd, and Ivan. Irma may slide harmlessly out to sea or may be disastrous for the Caribbean and then the US.

1/3 of Bangladesh is under water. In total the monsoons hitting Bangladesh, Nepal, and India have killed over 1200 people and impacted over 41 million. They are now headed to Pakistan. 950,000 houses damaged or destroyed. Also during rice farming season which is the number one occupation in the area. This all in an area and to a group of people far less able to deal with it than Texas and without the help South Texas will receive. Yet, many of us are not even aware as we don't see beyond our own windows. It brings back the images in my mind of some of the flooding of Haiti.

My thoughts with all those in Texas and worldwide being ravaged or under the threat of destructive weather. Some of this is very difficult to even imagine if you're not there, but to those impacted it's very real and very destructive.

[MurrayM]

One quick comment...had to laugh that Dilingpole quotes Patrick Moore to support his argument. Moore has claimed the Alberta Tar Sands industry is actually a 'green' industry because they are cleaning all that sand

[BandB]

Wifey B: Rant coming. $99 cases of water. $8.50 for one bottle. $20 for a gallon of gas. All in Houston. $4 for a gallon of gas in Dallas. The laws in Texas are way weak in this regard. Hope every business doing so gets a public Scarlet Letter and boycotted forever. But then maybe they don't care if they make enough to just retire. As bad or worse than the looters.

The storm has brought out the best of man, but the worst as well.

[psneeld]

I will drink to that....

The world is fill of horrors....so.....

Mother nature is pretty well known by now and while not predictable, should be expected to hand you your A** whenever it wants. In the US, that shouldnt be a secret or incomprehensible by anyone.

Most all effective disaster help is local, but eventually relief comes from many angles.

With that in mind, like in rescues at sea, expect no help, prepare for that and assume you will be at the end of the assistance line if there are any that apply to you.

If you are outside of the disaster, determine your surplus of anything and target the most direct line of disaster support to get it to the people who need it the most.

[psneeld]

Kit

Originally Posted by BandB

Wifey B: Rant coming. $99 cases of water. $8.50 for one bottle. $20 for a gallon of gas. All in Houston. $4 for a gallon of gas in Dallas. The laws in Texas are way weak in this regard. Hope every business doing so gets a public Scarlet Letter and boycotted forever. But then maybe they don't care if they make enough to just retire. As bad or worse than the looters.

The storm has brought out the best of man, but the worst as well.

Thought there were federal laws for disaster areas to prosecute gouging. But high waters and certain delivery areas could justify $8.50 per bottle.

If not federal, Texas seems to have something on the books, but how it will be applied will wind up in court.

Just like salvage can justify 50% of the value of a vessel and cargo....but usually a court decides.

Plus, usually the National Guard shows up with water buffalo trailers pretty quick.

[dhays]

Originally Posted by Cottontop

More than half of the US population lives in coastal watersheds or floodplains.



http://www.floods.org/ace-files/docu...FIP_6-9-11.pdf



The federal flood insurance program was amended in 2004 to reduce repetitive losses (the "two floods and you're out" act).

Two floods seems like one too many.

[dhays]

Originally Posted by BandB

An interesting human nature side effect of Harvey. Television and newspapers made a lot of the shut down of refineries. People in some areas such as Dallas panicked so all decided to go buy gas whether they needed it or not. As a result, stations ran out. There was plenty of gas available to serve all needs, but not once a run on the pumps was made.

Yeah, kind of curious. I think it was sparked by the shutdown of a pipeline from Houston? My son will be arriving back in Dallas today after being in Europe for a week. Since he frequently runs his truck on empty, he may be in for a surprise.

[dhays]

Originally Posted by BandB

Wifey B: Rant coming. $99 cases of water. $8.50 for one bottle. $20 for a gallon of gas. All in Houston. $4 for a gallon of gas in Dallas. The laws in Texas are way weak in this regard. Hope every business doing so gets a public Scarlet Letter and boycotted forever. But then maybe they don't care if they make enough to just retire. As bad or worse than the looters.



The storm has brought out the best of man, but the worst as well.

That is unfortunate. Their were lots of statements about not allowing price gouging, but that would be dependent on state laws.

Just a caution, and you know this since you have retail businesses, we can see the retail price but we don't necessarily know what the retailer had to buy those things for. Yeah, they likely didn't have to pay 4 x as much for the fuel they have to sell but...

Edit: I see psneed beat me to the point above while I was typing.

[O C Diver]

Originally Posted by BandB

Wifey B: Rant coming. $99 cases of water. $8.50 for one bottle. $20 for a gallon of gas. All in Houston. $4 for a gallon of gas in Dallas. The laws in Texas are way weak in this regard. Hope every business doing so gets a public Scarlet Letter and boycotted forever. But then maybe they don't care if they make enough to just retire. As bad or worse than the looters.

The storm has brought out the best of man, but the worst as well.

Yes, this is definitely the ugly side. Just curious what you feel we should do to the looters who break into small businesses, steal everything, and possibly put them out of business? Should they be given 10 years on the chain gang, forgiven because they were hungry and their only crime was planning poorly, or something else?

Ted

[dhays]

Originally Posted by O C Diver

Yes, this is definitely the ugly side. Just curious what you feel we should do to the looters who break into small businesses, steal everything, and possibly put them out of business? Should they be given 10 years on the chain gang, forgiven because they were hungry and their only crime was planning poorly, or something else?



Ted

You asked BandB, and I'm not sure your question is serious or not but...

Say a person is wading through the water to escape flooding, and seriously gashes their leg in the process. Bleeding profusely, they see a pharmacy. They break in and steal some bandages and disinfectant. They also take some plastic and duct tape to try and protect the wound as they escape the flooding. No money or cash, so they leave. It that looting or survival? What would your suggestion be for that situation Ted?

It seems to me that the above, very unlikely scenario, is a lot different than the looter who might break into that same pharmacy and try to steel OxyContin and when foiled by the safe, decide to just destroy and steal everything they can. What would your suggestion be for them Ted?

I'm generally pretty mild-mannered, but I don't like looters.

[Ski in NC]

Buy your supplies, food, water, fuel, etc....BEFORE the storm. Geez.

[BandB]

Originally Posted by dhays

Yeah, kind of curious. I think it was sparked by the shutdown of a pipeline from Houston? My son will be arriving back in Dallas today after being in Europe for a week. Since he frequently runs his truck on empty, he may be in for a surprise.

Sparked by the news coverage of a shut down. Then panic. There's plenty of gas just that stations can't pump a week's worth in a day. There are plenty of places with fuel, looking at Gas Buddy's tracker. Just ran out late yesterday in some areas. Many got overnight deliveries. I heard that for those stations with gas last night, the wait averaged an hour.

[BandB]

Originally Posted by dhays

You asked BandB, and I'm not sure your question is serious or not but...
.

Wifey B: Don't recall asking. I didn't use a question mark. Ok, I have to try to laugh and smile as we're about to land.

And I'm always serious. Well, except when I'm not.

[BandB]

Originally Posted by O C Diver

Yes, this is definitely the ugly side. Just curious what you feel we should do to the looters who break into small businesses, steal everything, and possibly put them out of business? Should they be given 10 years on the chain gang, forgiven because they were hungry and their only crime was planning poorly, or something else?

Ted

Wifey B: Steal to feed their kids and I don't blame them. The ones pretending to be DHS officials and telling people to evacuate so they can then loot their home, lock them up. Most looters don't do it because of a need. Most price gougers don't either

[O C Diver]

Originally Posted by dhays

You asked BandB, and I'm not sure your question is serious or not but...

Say a person is wading through the water to escape flooding, and seriously gashes their leg in the process. Bleeding profusely, they see a pharmacy. They break in and steal some bandages and disinfectant. They also take some plastic and duct tape to try and protect the wound as they escape the flooding. No money or cash, so they leave. It that looting or survival? What would your suggestion be for that situation Ted?

It seems to me that the above, very unlikely scenario, is a lot different than the looter who might break into that same pharmacy and try to steel OxyContin and when foiled by the safe, decide to just destroy and steal everything they can. What would your suggestion be for them Ted?

I'm generally pretty mild-mannered, but I don't like looters.

Originally Posted by BandB

Wifey B: Steal to feed their kids and I don't blame them. The ones pretending to be DHS officials and telling people to evacuate so they can then loot their home, lock them up. Most looters don't do it because of a need. Most price gougers don't either

Yes, my question was serious.

So to the person who cut themselves and needs a bandage, or the one who steels to feed their family, who compensates the merchant? Bare in mind, it's not the cost of the bandage, it's the $1K plate glass window they broke to get the bandage. Before you tell me the insurance will cover it, most policies have exclusions for natural disasters and civil unrest. Having been a small businessman, the net result is the same whether they're looters or the hungry just trying to take care of their family. Businessman loses.

Would like to think the man who cut himself or the guy just trying to feed his family would come back and take care of the bill. I don't believe in the Easter Bunny anymore either.

Ted

[dhays]

Ah nevermind....

[Cottontop]

Originally Posted by BandB

Wifey B: Rant coming. $99 cases of water. $8.50 for one bottle. $20 for a gallon of gas. All in Houston. $4 for a gallon of gas in Dallas. The laws in Texas are way weak in this regard. Hope every business doing so gets a public Scarlet Letter and boycotted forever. But then maybe they don't care if they make enough to just retire. As bad or worse than the looters.

The storm has brought out the best of man, but the worst as well.

Texas has laws prohibiting price-gouging, and every public official on TV is reminding. 15 states have no such laws. Enforcement is always problematic.

[psneeld]

The problem with looting is.... the person who owns the store may be losing as much or more than the person who perceives they need it more.

Would the person who "needs" something urgently ever plan on repaying?