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04-10-2017, 05:06 PM
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Is this burnt gelcoat ??
I have been keeping an eye on a detailer who is polishing a friends boat while he is away. I think the detailer may have "burnt" the gelcoat in one area but I don't know what it looks like if you overheat gelcoat with a buffer. Can anyone help me with what happened to this area on the gelcoat?
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04-10-2017, 05:37 PM
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Id say its a shitty paint job over gelcoat not gelcoat
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04-10-2017, 05:51 PM
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City: Narragansett Bay
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That's classic orange peel. If it's gelcoat it can be sanded and buffed to make it a little better. If it's paint it depends on the brand as to sanding and buffing. Regardless it stems from poor application as stated above. Not the buffing.
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04-10-2017, 05:55 PM
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City: Wilmington, NC
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Yea, not the fault of the guy on the buffer. Poor coating surface finish, and buffing brings it to being visible. Just buffed my whole boat, the shine brings out the flaws.
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04-10-2017, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski in NC
Yea, not the fault of the guy on the buffer. Poor coating surface finish, and buffing brings it to being visible. Just buffed my whole boat, the shine brings out the flaws.
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I knew there was a reason I don't like to wax and buff.
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04-10-2017, 06:01 PM
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The boat is a 2005 Kadey Krogen 39. I believe it's all gelcoat. The surface was perfect before the detailing started. Krogen seem to be high quality boats.
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04-10-2017, 06:10 PM
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I am betting that the surface was dirty or chalky so that the orange peel didn't show. A buffer did not cause that. And that boat didn't come from the factory like that. Someone has re- coated that surface with paint or gel coat. Very poorly I may add.
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04-10-2017, 06:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Easting
I am betting that the surface was dirty or chalky so that the orange peel didn't show. A buffer did not cause that. And that boat didn't come from the factory like that. Someone has re- coated that surface with paint or gel coat. Very poorly I may add.
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This boat is seldom dirty and never chalky. It's always maintained in like new condition. I agree it didn't come from the builder that way. If not the buffer, what else. Chemicals?
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04-10-2017, 06:43 PM
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Its been painted with a foam roller.
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04-10-2017, 06:50 PM
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Does the owner say the surface is different post detailing? It looks well polished, no swirls, how could polish or chemical create orange peel. Surely polishing is more likely to reduce orange peel, not create it.
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04-10-2017, 06:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
Does the owner say the surface is different post detailing? It looks well polished, no swirls, how could polish or chemical create orange peel. Surely polishing is more likely to reduce orange peel, not create it.
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The owner says it wasn't that way. I have been on the boat many times in last 5 years and would have noticed it. It's very shiny. The last step was Collinite paste wax. I will be talking to the owner of the detail business tomorrow. I bet it's a few boat units to repair the surface.
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04-10-2017, 07:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fryedaze
The owner says it wasn't that way. I have been on the boat many times in last 5 years and would have noticed it. It's very shiny. The last step was Collinite paste wax. I will be talking to the owner of the detail business tomorrow. I bet it's a few boat units to repair the surface.
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That is interesting new information. But how to change a surface from smooth gloss to orange peel. You`d have to reconstitute the surface,like liquefy it and then it resets, orange peel. We have had detailer members who could comment, but not at present it seems.
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04-10-2017, 07:17 PM
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I hope we can figure it out and learn a little here. The down side I fear is there is not enough material to wet sand it flat and restore it.
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04-10-2017, 07:54 PM
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I'm interested to learn outcome. That is the reason for this post... i.e. so I will be email notified by TF as this interesting case evolves.
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04-10-2017, 08:01 PM
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👍👍Art
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04-10-2017, 08:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fryedaze
The owner says it wasn't that way. I have been on the boat many times in last 5 years and would have noticed it. It's very shiny. The last step was Collinite paste wax. I will be talking to the owner of the detail business tomorrow. I bet it's a few boat units to repair the surface.
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What was before the last step? Was it compounded before being waxed?
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04-10-2017, 08:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
What was before the last step? Was it compounded before being waxed?
Ted
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Yes, I will ask what they used. I saw gallon cans of 3M materials. I also saw the guy mixing several different products together when he polished out the boat before waxing. This boat didn't need compounding. Something like Finesset(sp) would do.
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04-10-2017, 08:21 PM
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Is it possible the wax caked on the surface and the buffer orange peeled the layer of wax while polishing it. You could try scratching it with your fingernail and pretty quickly determine if it's wax buildup.
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04-10-2017, 08:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry M
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Trust me Larry, there is no doubt.
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