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04-10-2017, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tamrow
Is it possible the wax caked on the surface and the buffer orange peeled the layer of wax while polishing it. You could try scratching it with your fingernail and pretty quickly determine if it's wax buildup.
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That would be an awesome outcome. I will check that out.
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04-10-2017, 09:12 PM
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I have buffed tons and tons of old trailer boats trying to bring their gelcoats back to glory.
While I have never experienced orange peel as an outcome to buffing, I did learn that it was quite easy to buff through the gelcoat exposing the layup underneath. That is whats referred to as burnt gelcoat.
What I see in the pics is gelcoat that has flaked off and has been resprayed. Theres more that just orange peel under there. Look at all the sharp lines, some actually resemble craters where the gelcoat propped off.
Possibly a buffer could cause poorly "bonded" gelcoat to flake off (I've never seen it happen but it sure wouldnt surprise me) and the effort to repair was weak at best. Gelcoat is really brittle, so it doesnt take much at all to get poorly bonded gelcoat to pop off a boat. Think blisters.
What has the detailer said about it?
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04-10-2017, 09:33 PM
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City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fryedaze
I have been keeping an eye on a detailer who is polishing a friends boat while he is away. I think the detailer may have "burnt" the gelcoat in one area but I don't know what it looks like if you overheat gelcoat with a buffer. Can anyone help me with what happened to this area on the gelcoat?
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On lower portion of photo... i.e. reflection of railing, stanchions and drain holes are somewhat puzzling. Especially as compared to the stanchions above gunnel. Or... is that a very close other boat reflecting into the gel coat and a window of the affected boat??
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04-10-2017, 09:43 PM
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City: Concrete Washington State
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Gelcoat takes the surface of the mould. Could have been a really bad mould or prep.
I had a FG boat and had a guy that was working on a nearby boat come over and do mine. I made some reference to the "gelcoat" and was promptly told "that's not gelcoat .. it's been painted". I just assumed it was gelcoat. Was a very nice paintjob.
Also I can't imagine a buffer generating enough heat to damage gelcoat on FG.
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North Western Washington State USA
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04-10-2017, 09:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
On lower portion of photo... i.e. reflection of railing, stanchions and drain holes are somewhat puzzling. Especially as compared to the stanchions above gunnel. Or... is that a very close other boat reflecting into the gel coat and a window of the affected boat??
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The boat has a full walk around. The picture is the salon/cabin wall and window. The reflection is the outer hull and cap rail. Refer to previous pic of OK 39.
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04-10-2017, 10:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fryedaze
The boat has a full walk around. The picture is the salon/cabin wall and window. The reflection is the outer hull and cap rail. Refer to previous pic of OK 39.
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Got it now. Thought the dimpled finish was on the hull, not salon wall.
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04-10-2017, 10:38 PM
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Could it be the woven-roving mat printing through? My understanding is that if often develops over time. As as suggested earlier, is just more evident after waxing?
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04-11-2017, 12:30 AM
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I still say its been painted
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04-11-2017, 01:34 AM
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City: Sydney
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaston
I still say its been painted
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It sure looks like fresh orange peel finish paint.
Sure the detailer didn`t buff through and do some remedial painting?
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Sydney Australia
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04-11-2017, 01:42 AM
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Curious. I'm surprised the detailer did not stop once the orange peel was apparent, and check with owner (or you if you were asked to monitor the job) before continuing.
My 35 year old hull buffs up quite well still !
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04-11-2017, 06:45 AM
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City: Solomons Island Md
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamrow
Is it possible the wax caked on the surface and the buffer orange peeled the layer of wax while polishing it. You could try scratching it with your fingernail and pretty quickly determine if it's wax buildup.
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I scratched at it this morning. It's not wax. The surface is very hard. We will see what the detailer has to say.
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04-11-2017, 07:26 AM
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Looks like a bad application of gel coat to a repair done a while ago.
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04-11-2017, 10:15 AM
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As many have said, is not a machine waxing more than hot. but to do it yourself painting result. if you want a beautiful surface is very heavy work. perhaps the easiest way to peel the paint off, sanded and coated with a painter to give ammtti alwgrip paint. if you mean sanded smooth cot, I believe you will sooner nuts, the surface smooth. do not allow to interfere with, the easiest way to live with it.
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04-11-2017, 10:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cafesport
Looks like a bad application of gel coat to a repair done a while ago.
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Looks like the answer is a previous repair. The detailer concurs that you couldn't get that effect with a buffer. He showed me thin gelcoat in that general area and a sag were the repair was done.
Thanks to everyone for your input. BTW, it wasn't paint.
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04-11-2017, 10:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by North Baltic sea
As many have said, is not a machine waxing more than hot. but to do it yourself painting result. if you want a beautiful surface is very heavy work. perhaps the easiest way to peel the paint off, sanded and coated with a painter to give ammtti alwgrip paint. if you mean sanded smooth cot, I believe you will sooner nuts, the surface smooth. do not allow to interfere with, the easiest way to live with it.
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NBs - gotta ask! What is the concoction you have in the mug you hold a-hi in your avatar?
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04-11-2017, 10:35 AM
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City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fryedaze
Looks like the answer is a previous repair. The detailer concurs that you couldn't get that effect with a buffer. He showed me thin gelcoat in that general area and a sag were the repair was done.
Thanks to everyone for your input. BTW, it wasn't paint.
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When they are all shined up... ghosts can appear!
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04-11-2017, 11:23 AM
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City: Concrete Washington State
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Art
NBs - gotta ask! What is the concoction you have in the mug you hold a-hi in your avatar?
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How could it be anything but beer Art?
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04-11-2017, 03:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
How could it be anything but beer Art?
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Ya just never know Eric!
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04-11-2017, 06:23 PM
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#39
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City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fryedaze
Looks like the answer is a previous repair. The detailer concurs that you couldn't get that effect with a buffer. He showed me thin gelcoat in that general area and a sag were the repair was done.
Thanks to everyone for your input. BTW, it wasn't paint.
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The owner had to know that. Maybe he just forgot, or the high gloss "wet look" the detailer attained really brought back a degraded surface.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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04-11-2017, 07:14 PM
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This here is what we call a "first world problem".
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