View Poll Results: Bow and / or stern thrusters?
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No thrusters
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36 |
33.03% |
Bow thruster
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29 |
26.61% |
Bow thruster variable speed
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2 |
1.83% |
Stern thruster
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7 |
6.42% |
Stern thruster variable speed
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1 |
0.92% |
Bow and stern thruster
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25 |
22.94% |
Bow and stern thruster variable speed
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4 |
3.67% |
I have thruster Lust
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5 |
4.59% |
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03-28-2017, 07:09 PM
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#41
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Guru
City: Port Townsend
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Thanks Comodave, great post.
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03-28-2017, 07:15 PM
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#42
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Guru
City: Port Townsend
Vessel Name: The Promise
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03-28-2017, 07:52 PM
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#43
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Senior Member
City: Comox
Vessel Model: 1989 Wellington 57 motorsailer
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 281
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom.B
If I had one, would I even be posting? We could at least try to put new spins on these old discussions. Ok... Maybe THAT was my point.
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The OP did put a new spin on it, he included a poll!
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03-28-2017, 08:19 PM
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#44
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Guru
City: Cape Cod
Vessel Name: Slip Aweigh
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightsky
The OP did put a new spin on it, he included a poll!
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Why? They don't have these in Northeastern Europe?
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03-28-2017, 08:19 PM
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#45
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Guru
City: Bayview
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhmeissner
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Okay this is cool!
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What kind of boat is that?
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03-28-2017, 08:23 PM
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#46
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Guru
City: Cape Cod
Vessel Name: Slip Aweigh
Vessel Model: Prairie 29
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Bow and / or Stern Thrusters?
This is what is appended on my Stem. https://sideshift.com/bow-thrusters/
It's not pretty. But on the upside it has NO holes below the waterline, is easily installed and (counting the days) easily removed. Actually has been helpful in some situations. But I generally don't need or use it. It's a novelty in use.
This is what it looks like on the boat
Would I buy one? No. Would I replace this if it failed? No. But it came with the boat.
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03-28-2017, 08:33 PM
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#47
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Guru
City: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhmeissner
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They need to post a video that shows how well the work with a strong wind and/or current.
A paddle will move you around on a calm day.
If you look closely, it looks like the frame speed was sped up to make it look like the boat is moving away from the dock faster than it really is.
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03-28-2017, 08:39 PM
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#48
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
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Exercising the thruster:
Click on it!
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Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
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03-28-2017, 09:06 PM
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#49
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Guru
City: Port Townsend
Vessel Name: The Promise
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Always love your pix & videos Mark
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03-28-2017, 09:16 PM
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#50
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,541
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Greetings,
Mr. mp. great video and boat handling BUT you need a sound track. May I suggest this particular piece...
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RTF
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03-31-2017, 06:40 PM
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#51
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Guru
City: Philadelphia
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Richard,
What kind of problem are you having? With hydraulics you can always tell where the issue is by checking which component gets hot first: pump, hyd motor, valve. While you're at the dock have someone operate the thruster while you do "touch tests" on each component.
If it is an intermittent issue that happens whether hot or cold it is probably a control issue that will often be a lose wire or bad connection. If you're pump is running other systems such as a windlass and that works fine you can rule out the pump.
John
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03-31-2017, 11:10 PM
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#52
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Guru
City: Seabrook, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dhays
I power up my thrusters before leaving or coming into a dock. I also pulse them to ensure they work. Then I do my best to not use them. However, I am very happy to use them if they provide a convenience.
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Exactly what I do.
Our boat came with bow thruster and we added a stern thruster a couple of years later. I'm glad we did (although I'm really unhappy with our installer). I rarely use either of them, but when they're handy, they're very handy.
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03-31-2017, 11:14 PM
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#53
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Wannabe
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Name: Stillwater
Vessel Model: Kadey-Krogen 54
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 782
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnma
Richard,
What kind of problem are you having? With hydraulics you can always tell where the issue is by checking which component gets hot first: pump, hyd motor, valve. While you're at the dock have someone operate the thruster while you do "touch tests" on each component.
If it is an intermittent issue that happens whether hot or cold it is probably a control issue that will often be a lose wire or bad connection. If you're pump is running other systems such as a windlass and that works fine you can rule out the pump.
John
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John,
The bow thruster runs fine for a while when the engine is first started. Say 10-15 minutes. After that the power drops off significantly. My fin stabilizers are run from the same pump and seem to operate fine all the time. I'm suspecting that it's a problem with the directional valve but don't have proof.
Richard
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04-01-2017, 05:19 AM
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#54
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Guru
City: Miami River
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My current boat has pods but a previous boat had a thruster. I always thought of the thruster like insurance: it there and you hope it's not needed but when it is your happy to have it.
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04-02-2017, 03:10 PM
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#55
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Guru
City: Philadelphia
Vessel Name: Dreamers Holiday
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Richard
ok so it"s not a pump problem. That narrows it down to a motor or valve. Since valves generally either work or don't work regardless of temperature I would take a hard look at the motor first. When hydraulic fluid goes from high pressure to low pressure without doing work (an internal leak or bypass) it creates heat. Hold your hand on the motor while someone operates the thruster. If it gets unusually hot, say 150-160 degrees F in 10 seconds or so you have a bad motor that need to be rebuilt or replaced. If it does not get hot the fluid is bypassing before it reaches the motor and that leaves only the valve itself or the solenoid. With a multimeter take a resistance reading through the coil (ohm setting on your meter) if you have zero resistance its a bad coil or you could have a loose ground connection that breaks when the coil gets hot. If that checks out take a look at the tag number on the valve. If its the same as the valve for your stabilizer swap them and see if the problem moves to your stabilizer. If you have cartridge valves (valves that screw into an aluminum or steel manifold) the part number is stamped on the wrench flats. these are very inexpensive and you can buy them at any hydraulic equipment distributor. If it says "Sun" on the valve they must be purchased from a Sun dealer. All of the other brands are physically interchangeable with each other.
John
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04-02-2017, 10:30 PM
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#56
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Guru
City: Fort Myers - FL
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04-02-2017, 10:32 PM
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#57
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
... As we get older it is not as easy to pull the lines when docking or push the boat around. If having thrusters will enable us to boat 5 or 10 years longer than we could otherwise, then I will have thrusters....
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Great point.
Right now Badger has a single engine and no thrusters, but we'll add them when age creeps up on us.
We dock bow first and have to make a hard turn against prop walk when going astern leaving our berth, but with a bit of speed our big rudder easily does the job, even against a stiff wind. So far, while entering the berth, prop walk and the occasional burst of power against the rudder (one way or the other) does the trick. Must be doing something right...haven't had to retreat with my tail between the legs and try again for a couple years.
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04-03-2017, 04:31 AM
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#58
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
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After my first singlehanded attempt at docking with my new single engined full keeled boat, a bow thruster was on the top of my ToDo list. Since then I've rubbed and bumped the dock numerous times, although nothing that couldn't be "polished out". Over the past 3 years the thrusters have somehow disappeared off my ToDo list.
But - I've learned:
how to read the wind and current,
how to handle spring lines,
how to make prop walk work in your favour,
how to abandon the plan to dock where you originally planned to dock
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04-03-2017, 10:11 AM
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#59
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MurrayM
Great point.
Right now Badger has a single engine and no thrusters, but we'll add them when age creeps up on us.
We dock bow first and have to make a hard turn against prop walk when going astern leaving our berth, but with a bit of speed our big rudder easily does the job, even against a stiff wind. So far, while entering the berth, prop walk and the occasional burst of power against the rudder (one way or the other) does the trick. Must be doing something right...haven't had to retreat with my tail between the legs and try again for a couple years.
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I have an angled birth with an extremely narrow fairway behind me. Even on my 40' sailboat, backing out of the slip, turning against the prop-walk was extremely difficult with some wind/current conditions. Fortunately, I never hit anything but a couple of times I came close to needing to fend off. That was with a large rudder and a proper keel.
On the North Pacific, it would be impossible to do without at least a bow thruster in some wind conditions.
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04-03-2017, 12:13 PM
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#60
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Senior Member
City: Wherever the boat is
Vessel Name: Kismet
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 458
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You forgot the poll option "Whenever I hear the shrieking of thrusters I immediately try to locate the cloud of smug floating above the captain using them".
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