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Old 08-02-2021, 08:24 PM   #1
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Boat Sinks in White Marlin Open



Big fishing competition. All rescued. No word on cause. Looks like it went down fast.
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Old 08-02-2021, 09:01 PM   #2
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The wake of a custom carolina boat running hard through the open ocean is a sight to behold. Island boatworks 65' is a impressive machine. Kudos to the captain and crew.

I charter fished out of OC Md for two years and learned alot in that short period. The cost of operations was a bit staggering to me at the time, from fuel to repairs to tackle, dockage etc. One story that really sunk in to me was a sinking of a boat in the charter fleet, the captain of fellow charter boat immediately snipped every line of the trolling spread and ran full throttle to his friends aid, I don't think the captain and crew got their feet wet. Makes you stop and consider priorities. Honestly, as a poor mate at the time, the though of tossing hundreds of dollars in tackle away in seconds is jarring, but then you stop and put it into perspective and it is as clear as day. It is a bit embarrassing but I just took life for granted at that point.
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Old 08-02-2021, 10:22 PM   #3
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I really think that cutting the lines is what should/would be expected. When it comes to saving a life or a bit of tackle there isn’t much to think about.
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Old 08-03-2021, 05:54 AM   #4
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I really think that cutting the lines is what should/would be expected. When it comes to saving a life or a bit of tackle there isnít much to think about.
You're missing the point. Nobody said they were weighing the decision of helping the boat in distress or not. What he said was the captain ordered the lines cut , which amounted to hundreds of dollars of tackle lost; the terminal tackle & baits & all of the reels probably needed respooling since a large portion of the line was in the water, and possibly the days wages if the boat was chartered. Most folks (quite likely myself included) first instinct would've been to reel the lines in, asap. With a good crew and everyone helping, it might've taken a minute to clear the lines & get underway. This captain opted to cut everything ,which was his livelihood, to gain seconds. It was a quick decision that the captain made.
I completely get where the OP is coming from.
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One thing about search and rescue in my experience....while seconds can count in the survivors eyes...they are often lost in the process on responders.


While the cutting or retrieval of lines can be debated (variables)...it is probably minutiae to the responders.


There are multiple ways of shaving seconds, but usually the best course of action is to not get all worked up racing to the rescue....keeping a calm, clear head and purposeful actions usually makes up more in minutes than seconds in responding.


Once on scene, and better evaluation of the actual emergency, is where seconds start to count.
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Old 08-03-2021, 06:53 AM   #6
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I really think that cutting the lines is what should/would be expected. When it comes to saving a life or a bit of tackle there isn’t much to think about.
I fully agree and was being honest about my immaturity/lack of perspective at the time of hearing the story. This had happened years before I was working on that dock but it had involved two of charter boats running out of the same dock (our immediate neighbor and the boat just past him). The moment I heard the story stands out in my mind and it wasn't really the seconds of cutting the lines that mattered, it was the decisiveness of the captain (Bill Kneessi), responding with a clear head and purpose that really resonated with me and improved my perspective.
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I wonder if a prize winning fish was hooked up?


Not wondering in the story's reference....but in general how many would do the same?


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Old 08-03-2021, 09:20 AM   #8
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I wonder if a prize winning fish was hooked up?


Not wondering in the story's reference....but in general how many would do the same?


That's what separates men from mice.
I just saw an update and another video, while the guys were exiting the raft and coming over the transom, a couple of guys were collecting a cooler on the port quarter, reportedly the beer cooler. Sounds like the took it in stride, as much as possible, they lost a blue marlin and lost their boat but saved the beer.
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Old 08-03-2021, 09:34 AM   #9
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I meant, would a captain of a charter or paid tournament captain hooked up cut a possible money fish off?


A big decision.... but as I said.... of "mice and men."
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Old 08-03-2021, 09:44 AM   #10
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I meant, would a captain of a charter or paid tournament captain hooked up cut a possible money fish off?


A big decision.... but as I said.... of "mice and men."
Hard to say, and my update really wasn't addressing your question, not sure why I hit quote versus reply.

That said, I would like to think I would attached the largest and brightest fender to the rod and toss it over the side.

The other big question that is not easy to answer, is whether you are even in a good position to help, are you the closest or one of the closest and will you be of help in finding them or get halfway there and realize there are already dozens of boats in the vicinity. This is a good time for AIS transceivers, then again how many boats have them shut off to hide there location (tournament fishing).

A couple more thoughts, how many of us have a writing implement handy to jot down coordinates. I know I have one at my lower station but I spend most of my time running from the upper station.

One thing is for sure, that beautiful sportfish can move fast.
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I wonder if the boat had a fish on at the time of sinking. With those sea conditions backing down on a large fish to gain line on them would put the cockpit area under a lot water with waves breaking over the transom. Most sport fisherman have large scuppers to drain water from that area. Just a thought. Glad all crew survived!
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There are multiple ways of shaving seconds, but usually the best course of action is to not get all worked up racing to the rescue....keeping a calm, clear head and purposeful actions usually makes up more in minutes than seconds in responding.


Once on scene, and better evaluation of the actual emergency, is where seconds start to count.
Fast is slow and slow is fast...
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Terrible event. Incredible video footage
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Update:

https://www.oceancitytoday.com/news/...VyPYtSVvFlQ_Y4

They were backing down on a fish in 4-6 ft seas.

They took water over the transom.

One engine died.

Air bubbles coming from the exhaust of the other.

Some of you guys may have other thoughts but it looks to me like the water pressure into the exhaust systems did the deed. Perhaps water made its way back to the diesel cylinders on the dead engine. Perhaps back pressure of the water against exhaust outflow caused an exhaust hose or clamps to fail on the other.
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Old 08-09-2021, 06:28 PM   #15
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Did the boat ultimately go down?
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The article said ....yes....in 2000 feet of water.
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Everyone on the raft had PFDs on. Good for them.
Per cutting the lines, in my mind, there would be not question on the priorities, cut the lines.
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Very competitive tournaments. I don't know how much money involved in this one but I've known one winner of $500,000 and that's without all the side bets made. I suspect some prizes go up to $1 million. Participants pay dearly to compete as well though. Definitely not a profitable business.
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Very competitive tournaments. I don't know how much money involved in this one but I've known one winner of $500,000 and that's without all the side bets made. I suspect some prizes go up to $1 million. Participants pay dearly to compete as well though. Definitely not a profitable business.
https://whitemarlinopen.com/

$30k per BOAT (as many fishermen aboard as you care to take) gets you a shot at this year's top prize of $3.2 million.
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https://whitemarlinopen.com/

$30k per BOAT (as many fishermen aboard as you care to take) gets you a shot at this year's top prize of $3.2 million.
Wow.
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