Boat buying blasphemy

[Nomad Willy]

Originally Posted by BruceK

Part of modern car handling difference is the wretched fwd. You can do much more with rwd. Not many rwd,surprising releases are the (related) Hyundai and Kia rwd models, I`ve driven neither but reviews are good. New Alfa Giulia too, but it`s FIAT related (Fix It Again Tony).

Bruce,
That’s interesting.
I sure like old cars but rwd is not to my liking actually. However if you want to apply a lot of power at very low speeds I definitely prefer rwd. It’s just more graceful and dosn’t seem like it’s doing harm to the car. Pulling onto a paved road from an unpaved fwd gets the nod from me as you can apply power much sooner.

Just like boat drives.
Straight shaft under is better in many ways and IO is better for other ways.

[BruceK]

Yes Eric, it all happens much earlier on a dirt surface. I would put the rally car(rwd) into oversteer entering a corner, using a flick of the wheel or dab of brakes or both, so the back was under control, not about to go into oversteer of its own accord.
Happy New Year guys! It`s midday on NYE here already.

[Nomad Willy]

Hey Bruce,
Have you seen the big black limo drifting around a race track at about 80mph ..... backwards?
Yahoo I think.

[BruceK]

Originally Posted by Nomad Willy

Hey Bruce,
Have you seen the big black limo drifting around a race track at about 80mph ..... backwards?
Yahoo I think.

I have not but will watch out.
Our Police, used to rwd V8 GM/Holden Commodore/Monaros, and turbo Ford Falcon V8`s with suspension tweaks,and with no more local car manufacture, are opting for V8 Chrysler 300s. We had a 6cyl as a rental car in Canada, it was a better car than I expected.

[McGillicuddy]

I remember the first time I drove my new Chevy Avalanche truck in 2005. My thought as I was cruising down the highway in the big leather armchair was “this is the ride quality that Rolls Royce aspired to in the 60’s”.

[catalinajack]

Originally Posted by Benthic2

With cars there has been huge improvements. It used to be something to get a car to roll over the odometer at 100k miles, now....not so much.

When was the last time anyone had to:

clean and gap their plugs
replace a muffler
have a frame welded
replace a master cylinder
blew a head gasket
had a carbeurator cleaned
put water in their battery
replaced a distributor cap
replaced a radiator or a water pump
replaced a starter/solenoid

these were pretty common back in the day, but now we just take dependable cars for granted.

Have done many of those true maintenance items (not welding) on my two vehicles, one a 1999 with 190,000 miles, the other a 2003 with with 285,000. Both run as if they were showroom new. And both are American made. I won't need to buy a new vehicle for a very long time. And, yes, no rust.

[sunchaser]

Originally Posted by catalinajack

Have done many of those true maintenance items (not welding) on my two vehicles, one a 1999 with 190,000 miles, the other a 2003 with with 285,000. Both run as if they were showroom new. And both are American made. I won't need to buy a new vehicle for a very long time. And, yes, no rust.

I loved my very low mileage 2005 Suburban. Then I recently went new car shopping. The differences are staggering.

Worth getting rid of the Suburban though? Yes, but not an easy decision. That is not until I went car shopping with my Son-in-law who reminded me either I spend it or he eventually will.

[TugYacht_33]

Originally Posted by Benthic2

With cars there has been huge improvements. It used to be something to get a car to roll over the odometer at 100k miles, now....not so much.

When was the last time anyone had to:

clean and gap their plugs
replace a muffler
have a frame welded
replace a master cylinder
blew a head gasket
had a carbeurator cleaned
put water in their battery
replaced a distributor cap
replaced a radiator or a water pump
replaced a starter/solenoid

these were pretty common back in the day, but now we just take dependable cars for granted.

im sorry, but i gotta call BS on this observation ........

when is the last time you paid 700 bucks for plug wires (bmw 7 series)
replaced cat converters due to bad gas (another 700 in a lot of cases)
had your car totaled for what amounted to a fender bender
had to watch an anti lock light on your dash no one can turn off
paid 800 bucks for 4 injectors due to bad gas
too lazy to spend 5 minutes a week checking fluids ??? your boat loves you
replaced a coil pack (50-200 bucks) my dist cap is 15 bucks
water pumps are expendable items no matter what you drive, and i can show you several (like more then 100) 50-60-70 year old cars running with original
radiators right now
replace the starter on a new cadillac, you have to tear the entire motor apart, starter is inside the engine
and these are all very common this day and age (think multi billion dollar auto parts industry)

it really irks me when people clump new and dependable into the same basket...... all you have done is trade one set of issues for another, no better no worse......
yes, by proxy newer may mean more dependable by sake of less hours used, but hi tech new age construction tech does not make my old tech any less dependable, it just means your tech is different, same destination, different routes......

i would go so far as to say the old tech ways a lot of times are far more dependable due to time in service (proven track record)..... expense to repair or replace (a little fairing compound VS a carbon/kevlar/cored/composite nightmare)

the car voted year after year as the most beautiful in the world is over a hundred years old....
im pretty sure it is the same for boats.....

just because something has been so idiot proofed it needs an aerospace engineer to change the oil does not mean its more dependable or better.....
it simply means this is way its done these days...

[ranger58sb]

Originally Posted by TugYacht_33

the car voted year after year as the most beautiful in the world is over a hundred years old....

What car is that?

-Chris

[TugYacht_33]

lol, now that ive read that out loud it seems close to a rant/flame........ not my intention at all....
im going out to get coffee now....

[sunchaser]

Tug Yacht

57 Chevy ala Cuba is the answer. Or an extended warranty on an unbeatable Honda product? Plug wire replacement though, that is suspicious?

[TugYacht_33]

its a rolls royce, phantom i think, or ghost.....lol, i should have done my home work before throwing out names, lol

[TugYacht_33]

Originally Posted by sunchaser

Tug Yacht

57 Chevy ala Cuba is the answer. Or an extended warranty on an unbeatable Honda product? Plug wire replacement though, that is suspicious?

55 my man...... i never could get in to the big wing cars..... but that 55 shoe box makes my mouth water

[ranger58sb]

Originally Posted by TugYacht_33

its a rolls royce, phantom i think, or ghost.....lol, i should have done my home work before throwing out names, lol

Hmmm...

Can't imagine any auto built pre-1917 would win many beauty contests...

-Chris

[Seevee]

Yes there are differences, but it depends....

Some old stuff is better
Some is crap
Same with new stuff.

Ya need to know:
Who made it
How they made it
What materials were used
What extras it has
and what the mission is.

And, yes, there are some boats makers that put out a bunch more quality and capability than others.

And some will settle for less quality and less price and some will pay more. There's no right or wrong.... for the most part.

But there's a few that will push the boat beyond its capabilities.


It all depends.....

[SeaMoose]

Built in 1911 and beautiful.

[ranger58sb]

Eye of the beholder.

Not bad, though.

-Chris

[Nomad Willy]

I’m gonna have to throw away Chris’s beautiful 01 Golf. Timing belt broke on start-up. On the internet they say valves bent for sure. Makes me sick. Perfect car w just a tad over 100000 miles. My mechanic told me to check for compression but my heart won’t be in it.

Perhaps we’ll buy a Rabbit w a chain driven camshaft. (5cyl)

Tugyacht 33,
Thanks for say’in what I failed to put together propperly.

[psneeld]

I guess there are a lot of TFers that know way more about cars than boats, maybe aurplanes too as often as thread drift goes those ways......way too long....

[Nomad Willy]

I looked up the “Harbor Chat” section and it says ....

“Friendly, professional, informal exchange of "NON-boating" topics. Political comments, weaponry and religious discussions are off-limits in this forum”

Non boating topics. And the “non-boating” topics autos and airplanes are not tabu as stated.

So from now on I will post on these topics at Harbor Chat. At first I assumed harbor chat would be about boats. It’s kinda like going to the airport to talk about boats .. haha.