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01-07-2021, 06:37 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
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Boat arch
Good evening fellow TFers and happy new year to you all, may you be happy, healthy and wealthy.
My boat has a fix arch that makes its air draft about 14 feet. Add to this its draft of about 3 feet and total height is about 17 feet what does not allow me to move it by road (bridge, power lines etc).
Discussing with my wife I was telling her that it would be nice to be able to move the boat to our house in spring so to have it nearby to be able to work on it every day or evening without having to drive 30min to the marina.
So I started to think about cutting the arch and make it foldable. The arch is supporting the radar, anchor light, radar reflector, one vhf antenna, one gps receiver, and the wifi booster antenna so 5 cable.
So here my question: cutting the arch to make it foldable, good or bad idea?
L
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01-07-2021, 07:03 PM
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,167
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Radar cables are usually long so - 10m is normally the shortest so you may have a coil somewhere. GPS could be replaced with a new one if not long enough. Wifi boost is probably an ether net cable so not difficult.
The hinges will almost certainly need to be custom made. And not cheap. Unless you know someone to do it as a favor, would not be surprised if they are over a couple grand by the time they're done and polished.
But it's doable. Would be cool to have the boat in your backyard. Also being truckable would expand your resale market if the boat is not planned on being your coffin, which is my plan.
Keep us posted. Intriguing project.
Peter
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01-07-2021, 07:07 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 4,374
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mvweebles
Radar cables are usually long so - 10m is normally the shortest so you may have a coil somewhere. GPS could be replaced with a new one if not long enough. Wifi boost is probably an ether net cable so not difficult.
The hinges will almost certainly need to be custom made. And not cheap. Unless you know someone to do it as a favor, would not be surprised if they are over a couple grand by the time they're done and polished.
But it's doable. Would be cool to have the boat in your backyard. Also being truckable would expand your resale market if the boat is not planned on being your coffin, which is my plan.
Keep us posted. Intriguing project.
Peter
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It is my plan too but would be nice to be able to move the coffin before being buried
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01-07-2021, 07:12 PM
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
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The hull door on my Willard 36 swung outboard. Huge nuisance as it would always catch on a floating dock. Hinges were separable so it would lift the door off and put it at risk of floating away. Plus, being out-swing, was a safety risk if anyone leaned against it. So as part of my refit, I had it converted to an in swing which was deceptively complicate at the angle on the opening side of door needed to be reversed.
Where am I going with this? Hinges were pretty expensive to have fabricated, even in Mexico. Over $500 for polished stainless.
Good luck. Good plan on selling coffin before you're buried.
Peter
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01-07-2021, 07:17 PM
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Guru
City: Puget Sound
Join Date: Jun 2016
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The arch on the boat in my avatar was hinged. The hinges were custom made stainless. The arch itself was reinforced on the inside where the hinges attach. We also installed 12 vdc linear actuators that would fold - unfold the arch with a switch on the helm.
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01-07-2021, 07:28 PM
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
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I’ve been able to cobble most of my boat hardware together from home-made or production hardware meant for something else, including polished 316 SS hinges. Show us a photo of where you would would like to hinge the arch and maybe we’ll have a decent reference of an existing product.
An application such as yours shouldn’t require a constant usage bearing surface or an expensive high-wear product. A heavily built but simple bolt or pin & loop device made of 316 SS should do the job. SS Semi-trailer door, refer door or gate hinges might make a decent alternative.
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01-07-2021, 07:51 PM
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Guru
City: Groton, CT
Vessel Name: Datenight
Vessel Model: North Pacific 45
Join Date: Jan 2008
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The arch on my North Pacific 39 was hinged for folding. Maybe contact Trevor Brice at North Pacific Yachts.
https://northpacificyachts.com/contact
Rob
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01-07-2021, 07:52 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ka_sea_ta
The arch on the boat in my avatar was hinged. The hinges were custom made stainless. The arch itself was reinforced on the inside where the hinges attach. We also installed 12 vdc linear actuators that would fold - unfold the arch with a switch on the helm.
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I was thinking about 12v actuators too if I can fit them.
L
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01-07-2021, 07:54 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
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Quote:
Originally Posted by healhustler
I’ve been able to cobble most of my boat hardware together from home-made or production hardware meant for something else, including polished 316 SS hinges. Show us a photo of where you would would like to hinge the arch and maybe we’ll have a decent reference of an existing product.
An application such as yours shouldn’t require a constant usage bearing surface or an expensive high-wear product. A heavily built but simple bolt or pin & loop device made of 316 SS should do the job. SS Semi-trailer door, refer door or gate hinges might make a decent alternative.
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Will post a photo along with a drawing of what I think would be my plan tomorrow.
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01-07-2021, 08:09 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,131
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My boat stores in a barn 1 mile down the road from our house so access is easy. Have you thought about instead of hinging the arch maybe modify the mounts so that you can just unbolt the arch. Maybe have a pin or bolt sticking through the arch from where it mounts on the boat. The pin could be used as a pivot point to let the arch lay down. Then just unbolt the arch and let it rotate down and up as needed. No custom made hinges needed this way. Maybe all off the shelf parts would do it.
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01-07-2021, 08:30 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
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Join Date: Jan 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
My boat stores in a barn 1 mile down the road from our house so access is easy. Have you thought about instead of hinging the arch maybe modify the mounts so that you can just unbolt the arch. Maybe have a pin or bolt sticking through the arch from where it mounts on the boat. The pin could be used as a pivot point to let the arch lay down. Then just unbolt the arch and let it rotate down and up as needed. No custom made hinges needed this way. Maybe all off the shelf parts would do it.
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Good idea did not think about that, it may be a good option knowing that I won't lower it often.
L
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01-07-2021, 08:39 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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My mast is hinged at its bases, but best raised and lowered with a crane.
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01-07-2021, 09:16 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
Good idea did not think about that, it may be a good option knowing that I won't lower it often.
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It may be an easier method to do as a refit. From new the hinges would be the most elegant solution but now it will be very costly to manufacture a custom hinge.
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01-08-2021, 08:43 AM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Here is a picture of the boat showing the arch:
And here is a drawing of what is my intent, sorry it is not at scale but at least it shows the idea.
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01-08-2021, 09:00 AM
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
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A pin setup to pivot on would likely work. Or, if you leave enough slack in the cables or can add a way to disconnect them at the base of the arch, you could detach it entirely, lay it down on the deck behind where it mounts (or against the rails) and strap it down.
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01-08-2021, 09:00 AM
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Guru
City: Mississippi
Vessel Name: ADAGIO
Vessel Model: CHB Present 42 Sundeck
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 919
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Our boat (in the avatar) has a hinged arch - it will hinge both forward and backward - really cool hinge setup. But with our bimini and enclosure attached to the arch, along with electronics, we have never 'hinged' it either way. That sucker will be heavy also.
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01-08-2021, 09:12 AM
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Guru
City: Northport
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,046
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
My boat stores in a barn 1 mile down the road from our house so access is easy. Have you thought about instead of hinging the arch maybe modify the mounts so that you can just unbolt the arch. Maybe have a pin or bolt sticking through the arch from where it mounts on the boat. The pin could be used as a pivot point to let the arch lay down. Then just unbolt the arch and let it rotate down and up as needed. No custom made hinges needed this way. Maybe all off the shelf parts would do it.
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This is exactly what we did with our past boat for moving it to our home and back twice a year - worked out great and was fairly easy to do.
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01-08-2021, 11:36 AM
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Senior Member
City: Rockford, IL
Vessel Name: Du NORD
Vessel Model: Albin-25
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 350
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I would do it in a heartbeat
However, I am a retired mechanical design engineer skilled in the fabrication of all sorts of hardware using a wide range of materials. It all depends on your design ability and skills. The possibility of my ever owning a boat with a flying bridge is remote. I simply do niot like them.
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01-08-2021, 11:44 AM
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Guru
City: Mississippi
Vessel Name: ADAGIO
Vessel Model: CHB Present 42 Sundeck
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 919
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moby Nick
However, I am a retired mechanical design engineer skilled in the fabrication of all sorts of hardware using a wide range of materials. It all depends on your design ability and skills. The possibility of my ever owning a boat with a flying bridge is remote. I simply do niot like them.
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To each his own.
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01-08-2021, 12:28 PM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 4,374
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smitty477
This is exactly what we did with our past boat for moving it to our home and back twice a year - worked out great and was fairly easy to do.
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I like your trailer, do you store your boat on the trailer?
May I ask what is a price envelope for a trailer?
L
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