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Old 02-09-2020, 11:44 AM   #1
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Been on TF for a bit now and have seen lots of great debate on many topics. My question is this......aside from Kady Krogans and Nordhavens, what are other boat brands that offer a trawler that can cross an ocean without the added price for just those two name brands?
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Diesel Ducks come to mind.

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Been on TF for a bit now and have seen lots of great debate on many topics. My question is this......aside from Kady Krogans and Nordhavens, what are other boat brands that offer a trawler that can cross an ocean without the added price for just those two name brands?
Direct, meaning Bermuda-Azores-Portugal.

Or also potentially the northern route. Up the East Coast, Newfoundland, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland?

The latter could expand the number of boats that could do it.
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Direct, meaning Bermuda-Azores-Portugal.

Or also potentially the northern route. Up the East Coast, Newfoundland, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland?

The latter could expand the number of boats that could do it.
From west to east the northern route, upon return the portugal/azores/bermuda/US.....basically a boat capable of doing it all that is not a KK or Nord.
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From west to east the northern route, upon return the portugal/azores/bermuda/US.....basically a boat capable of doing it all that is not a KK or Nord.
The list of less than 70' power boats that are ocean rated to do this, with sensible fuel management practices, is surprisingly long. About 20 come to mind built in Europe, Turkey, Australia, Taiwan, China and New Zealand. Many ocean rated builders have gone broke in this small market.

The number of power boaters that really want to do serious +2,000 nm blue water voyaging is surprisingly short. Suggest you look up what an Ocean rated vessel must be built to do, realizing that this results in an expensive vessel that few can afford or need. For a few months of interesting nautical reading on blue water building and cruising, go to the Set Sail website.

BTW, sail boaters doing serious blue water cruising outnumber power boaters by many multiples. There are reasons for this.
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The Willard 30's been to Bermuda and back, the Willard 36 to Hawaii and back. Beebe mentions the Willard 40 as being a passagemaker, and it's one of the most affordable.
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Outer Reef. Some Horizon and Cheoy Lee models. Selene was mentioned above.
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People have been crossing the ocean in very small boats for centuries. Of course, you have to open the hatch and stand up to pee. Plus the menu sort of sucks too.
There are many non-branded aka one off custom blue water boats that can cross comfortably.
If your budget allows you 2 million dollars, that expands the possibilities.
Only you and your mate can make the decision of how much "comfort" you can afford.
If 3 people give you 3 different brands of boats, you buy one and half way across it breaks down or sinks, you will not be happy. You might even mutter some bad words and say, "I should have bought a different brand" and or, "I shouldn't have listen to him."
Dont forget your skill level.....
I've crossed the ocean in 425ft submarine and a destroyer about the same length. I have crossed the ocean on a large cruise liner too.
Which would I recommend? I still favor the submarine. SMIRK
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Thanks for all the information.....I am asking for a particular reason......my plan is when the time comes I do want to travel A LOT....mostly what I buy will be used to bounce up and down coast lines east coast at first, Bahamas and such.....eventually though I do want to cross to do the same around Europe, and if Im not dead or infirm possibly repeat in South America, the far east and/or the pacific. I dont want to pay for a service to do it since where's the adventure in that? Do I plan to criss cross open water repeatedly.....no way, but I want the option if, if with the proper preparation the boat can do so. For centuries people have crossed the oceans with a hell of a lot less technology and know how, so my rational is with the right boat, a strict adherence weather safety, and training it can be done. While I respect the dangers involved its something Ive always wanted to do......I spent 22 yrs in the military, jumped out of planes, been to war 3 times, and been a cop just as long, so I am extremely aware of associated inherent dangers, but none of the listed things stopped me from living life. So that being said I am spending the next years learning, but in the end I want to make sure the boat I buy can do it if I choose. Budget will be determined before I buy but Ive read 100's of times on here that KK and Nord prices are jacked up for the name so I want to expand my searches. Ive read voyaging under power, and world cruising routes, and this forum and have learned a lot so again I say thank you again for the input so far.......btw I would NEVER get in a submarine, wont set foot on a cruise ship and I dont want to sail.....I was in the Army not the Navy or Marines lol!
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The initial price of the boat is the least of your expenses for the cruising you describe.
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Understand it will cost money but its going to hopefully be over a long period of time not all at once, but at a minimum I want to do some of Caribbean and Med......the rest will be dependent on funds, life occurrences etc.
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Suggest you bone-up on what systems are designed for ocean crossing. Many people think hull and superstructure. If you hit a perfect storm, that's important. By far most likely (though of lessor impact) is some sort of mechanical failure. Engine, transmission, fuel, prop, fire, flooding, etc. You then get into cosmetics like leaks - both interior and deck/core leaks. Once understood, the price on the premium brands comes into focus. These boats are expensive for a reason - check out their fuel delivery and electrical systems.
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"For centuries people have crossed the oceans with a hell of a lot less technology and know how, so my rational is with the right boat, a strict adherence weather safety, and training it can be done."


True but they did it in sail boats usually 25 to 45 ft long that have different more robust scantlings. The name brand world power cruisers are 3x as much as lakes and baysinshore boats their built to a different cruising concept , and outfitted for the task. Cruising or racing sailboats have been knocked down to having the mast in the water , with no harm.


Look at the deck house to deck connection , or window glass size to get an idea of the difference.


Yes, there are cruisers that completed a circumnavigation and never saw over 35K of wind, but most saw months of waiting for the proper season to go outside.
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Thanks for all the information.....I am asking for a particular reason......my plan is when the time comes I do want to travel A LOT....mostly what I buy will be used to bounce up and down coast lines east coast at first, Bahamas and such.....eventually though I do want to cross to do the same around Europe, and if Im not dead or infirm possibly repeat in South America, the far east and/or the pacific. I dont want to pay for a service to do it since where's the adventure in that? Do I plan to criss cross open water repeatedly.....no way, but I want the option if, if with the proper preparation the boat can do so. For centuries people have crossed the oceans with a hell of a lot less technology and know how, so my rational is with the right boat, a strict adherence weather safety, and training it can be done. While I respect the dangers involved its something Ive always wanted to do......I spent 22 yrs in the military, jumped out of planes, been to war 3 times, and been a cop just as long, so I am extremely aware of associated inherent dangers, but none of the listed things stopped me from living life. So that being said I am spending the next years learning, but in the end I want to make sure the boat I buy can do it if I choose. Budget will be determined before I buy but Ive read 100's of times on here that KK and Nord prices are jacked up for the name so I want to expand my searches. Ive read voyaging under power, and world cruising routes, and this forum and have learned a lot so again I say thank you again for the input so far.......btw I would NEVER get in a submarine, wont set foot on a cruise ship and I dont want to sail.....I was in the Army not the Navy or Marines lol!


I started to look into sailboats and if the idea is freedom to go anywhere (to a reasonable degree of course), sailboats are the way to go (unless you have really deep pockets and can afford other types of motor yachts). In my modest opinion, a blue water sailboat is more affordable and capable (provided you know how to sail). This is the way Iím going.
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Outer Reef. Some Horizon and Cheoy Lee models. Selene was mentioned above.


Just curious, would those really be any less expensive?
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I think the acceptable boat size has a huge impact on the possible models. Sub-80í will be a very different size list from Sub-60, and again from Sub-50í.

And since you ask because of cost, Iím assuming you are probably in the sub-60 range. That will rule out a bunch of possibilities, like Northern Marine, who would otherwise be strong candidates.

If you are looking for lower cost, but similar size, I suspect diesel duck is your best bet.
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