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05-20-2022, 10:33 AM
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City: Jupiter, Florida
Vessel Name: Black Eyed Susan
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 42' Classic
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,612
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Air Horns 101
Went to the boat yesterday and it had decided that it was time for me to take a class on Air Horns. This was indicated by it throwing my FIAMM "TA/N?" onto the forward deck. Very rude. I believe, not sure, that it is original to the boat. I didn't have time to look behind the console above the lower helm to see what is what but it seems to be air not electric. It is operated by a push-button at the FB helm as well as the lower. Is about 17" in length, trumpet style.
Searching for FIAMM horns and find two models that look like mine. A TA/NR (higher tone) and a TA/NS (lower tone). Mine shows "TA/N with the last letter appearing to be "A" but can't find any references to a TA/NA".
These don't look very sophisticated, just a horn with a small compressor wired to 12v. Doesn't seem to be any driving reason to replace with the same make/model horn. What are the good quality brands/models for replacements these days?
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BLACK EYED SUSAN
Grand Banks 42 Classic
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05-20-2022, 10:52 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Rockland
Vessel Name: Jubilee
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 62
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First,
I have two Kahlenberg horns and they sound great.
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05-20-2022, 10:53 AM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 7,610
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05-20-2022, 07:22 PM
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City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 10,976
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AnsleyS
First,
I have two Kahlenberg horns and they sound great.
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I installed Kahlenberg horn 6 years ago and have been extremely happy with mine.
Ted
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I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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05-20-2022, 08:02 PM
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Guru
City: Jupiter, Florida
Vessel Name: Black Eyed Susan
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 42' Classic
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,612
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Originally Posted by Alguires
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Thanks for the replyies, everyone. The horns in this pic from Amazon, what brand are they?
Looked at the Kahlenberg collection. Obvious quality but I don't see one small enough (compressor/tank) to fit in my overhead console where the old equipment is. Again, I haven't looked at it to get the specifics but it is a small area. Will do so tomorrow.
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Hal
BLACK EYED SUSAN
Grand Banks 42 Classic
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05-20-2022, 09:04 PM
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Member
City: Kelowna
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by firstbase
Thanks for the replyies, everyone. The horns in this pic from Amazon, what brand are they?
Looked at the Kahlenberg collection. Obvious quality but I don't see one small enough (compressor/tank) to fit in my overhead console where the old equipment is. Again, I haven't looked at it to get the specifics but it is a small area. Will do so tomorrow.
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This is from the Amazon.ca website. Price in CAD. Probably different on the US site.
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05-20-2022, 09:12 PM
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Guru
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,703
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I use a air horn from a scrapped ship. When I toot everyone listens.
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05-20-2022, 11:03 PM
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Guru
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 5,069
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I was a dealer for both of these. Both made beautiful horns.
Buell
https://www.buellairhorns.com/
Kahlenberg
https://www.kahlenberg.com/
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05-21-2022, 12:10 AM
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City: Saltspring Island
Vessel Name: Retreat
Vessel Model: C&L 44
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,081
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I feel your pain
several years ago, when driving my first Motorhome, I encountered rudeness on the freeway that got me blasting the big airhorns on the roof. My first time, and the blast was forgettable. Soon after, I went to the Western Star truck store in Kelowna BC and bought a new pair of proper truck horns. Once installed on the Motorhome, I brought the old Motorhome air horns to the boat, thinking to replace the boat horns and get a bigger bang for my buck. The old Boat horns were air powered, from a small compressor attached directly to the horns by a little air pipe. Big mistake to think a swap would work. That little compressor provided just barely enough air to power one horn, but using that , I lost the two tone from the originals. Then I started looking into making this work. For thousands, I could get it to work, Buell, Kahlenberg, etc, all the great horns out there are pretty $$$pendy. But I already have the horns, why not just add a little compressor. Ha! Think you can get away with cobbling something together and have it work out ?
Might as well just put back the originals.
Sorry if I can't actually help. It just takes enough commitment to spend $$$$
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05-21-2022, 06:48 AM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,525
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepke
I use a air horn from a scrapped ship. When I toot everyone listens.
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The original single trumpet air horn on the AT has a small compressor that fits in the overhead but really didn't announce that I was there. I added 2 more trumpets and a Harbor Freight compressor and air tank.
Now when I sound the horn, everyone knows I am near by. Everyone looks for a BIG Hatteras LOL
Now to complete the project, I am searching for a stand alone high pitch 'toot toot' air horn that I can use around the marina. The type that one would expect on a cartoon type tug.
Suggestion are appreciated.
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05-21-2022, 09:09 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,608
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Something like this?
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New Port Richey,Fl
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05-21-2022, 09:35 AM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,525
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A steam whistle? Have you tried it, with success?
How many psi of air do you need and use?
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05-21-2022, 11:59 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,608
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Dan, I sent you a PM
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New Port Richey,Fl
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05-21-2022, 12:27 PM
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Veteran Member
City: BREMERTON
Vessel Name: Dream Weaver
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander/Pilot House
Join Date: Feb 2013
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I have Nathan P2 air chimes and a wimpy electric horn. The air horn gets everybody’s attention. The wife and dog hate the air horn so I’m careful when I use it. So I keep the horn selector switch set to wimpy most of the time.
jp
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05-21-2022, 04:01 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 10,976
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Quote:
Originally Posted by firstbase
Thanks for the replyies, everyone. The horns in this pic from Amazon, what brand are they?
Looked at the Kahlenberg collection. Obvious quality but I don't see one small enough (compressor/tank) to fit in my overhead console where the old equipment is. Again, I haven't looked at it to get the specifics but it is a small area. Will do so tomorrow.
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I chose to run mine off a 13 cuft. scuba tank and adjustable 1st stage regulator. It takes very little volume to drive my horn. A whistle takes a huge volume. The tubing is plastic automotive air line tubing (extremely inexpensive). The 1/4" OD tubing makes it pretty easy to relocate the supply (compressor or tank).
I've refilled the tank twice in 5 years.
Ted
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Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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05-21-2022, 10:09 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Duvall, WA
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 63
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The nav rules have a list of frequency ranges based on the length of the boat. Does anyone actually care about that "rule"?
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05-21-2022, 10:16 PM
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Senior Member
City: Corpus Christi
Vessel Model: Willard Vega Horizon
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 365
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pjtemplin
The nav rules have a list of frequency ranges based on the length of the boat. Does anyone actually care about that "rule"?
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https://www.kahlenberg.com/knowledge...2-colregs.html
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05-21-2022, 10:27 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,525
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The regs are minimum.
The intent of the reg is to ensure a boater is 'seen'.
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05-21-2022, 10:41 PM
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City: Duvall, WA
Join Date: Aug 2020
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Right. Knew that. My question stands: does anyone care? Anyone ever had the Coast Guard actually check, or say "that horn sounds too low for the length of your vessel"? I mean this horn is sold as being for a vessel 20-75m, but only one of the five elements is high enough to be compliant.
https://www.kahlenberg.com/model-f-3...-air-horn.html
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