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Old 01-17-2019, 02:01 PM   #41
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Playing around now is fine, I see Plum Gut gets up to five knots, something to watch out for... but I don't see any other major concerns for a power boat. I will continue to review and see if I can pickup that book as well.
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:03 PM   #42
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If you go through the Race then you could see 4 kts of current, but you don't need to go that route. It is not any longer to go inside Fisher's Island where the current should be no more than a knot or two at worst.


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Old 01-17-2019, 02:07 PM   #43
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If you go through the Race then you could see 4 kts of current, but you don't need to go that route. It is not any longer to go inside Fisher's Island where the current should be no more than a knot or two at worst.

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Up to 2.5 behind Fisher's Island, it is better.
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And do not forget wind. You get an Easterly wind on LI sound and its building up all the way from the ocean. It is not pleasant and will slow you down on top of tides/currents.

The East River can get crazy. I cruise at ~23-25 mph and on the ER going against current I've been bumped down to 13-15mph.
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If you go through the Race then you could see 4 kts of current, but you don't need to go that route. It is not any longer to go inside Fisher's Island where the current should be no more than a knot or two at worst.
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Except for Watch Hill Passage but that's only for about 15 minutes.

If I were going that direction I would go thru the Race and stay outside of Fisher's. The route is clear there's nothing to have to dodge. The Race will only affect you for about 30 minutes max if you're bucking the current.
Inside of Fisher's can be tricky. Lots of cross currents, several natural hazards to dodge, then you have to go thru one of the passages to get back into open water again. Not the end of the world by any means, but I have been boating that area for over 25 years and that's what I advise.
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:48 PM   #46
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You want to hit the Race at the right current conditions and preferably not an opposing wind. Itís discussed pretty well in Eldridge Tide and Pilot Book. If you donít have one, itís essential for that neck of the woods.
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Old 01-17-2019, 04:49 PM   #47
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If questionable fuel quality is a main concern. How about a bladder tank on the aft deck. Direct connect to engine supply and return. New fuel no dirt or water and you are good to go. Too bad you don't know someone who could let you use one for a few days. Waiting till Spring is not a bad idea also. Congrats on the new boat once you get it sorted you will have the ultimate cruiser!
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This /\ . And have an active SeaTow or BoatUS membership.
Seatow hauls their boats in winter. You're on your own.

Only 2 open water spots. LI to BI, BI to Newport. I think they're both about 20 miles. Typically very choppy following sea heading north. You can always follow the coast up and be closer to marinas although trip would be longer.

I think I would second the suggestion to take the boat out for a day and push it hard. Warm clothes mandatory. Dinghy with working outboard would be very high on my list of necessities
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Seatow hauls their boats in winter. You're on your own.

Only 2 open water spots. LI to BI, BI to Newport. I think they're both about 20 miles. Typically very choppy following sea heading north. You can always follow the coast up and be closer to marinas although trip would be longer.

I think I would second the suggestion to take the boat out for a day and push it hard. Warm clothes mandatory. Dinghy with working outboard would be very high on my list of necessities
They do? https://youtu.be/_C16ieMjg7k

I think you're the first person to suggest a dinghy. I was between a dinghy and a life raft and I think I'm going for the life raft. I don't plan on going in the water and if I do all hell has broken loose.
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I think most of you are underestimating the inherent danger of the Long Island Sound in winter. You will be truly on your own. The Sound can be treacherous. I have boated on the Sound from the East River, through the Race and on to ports in RI to Boston for over 50 years. I personally would wait until Spring. If you do go now, go alone so that you don’t put anyone else at risk. You don’t know the boat. Wait until you do.
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I think most of you are underestimating the inherent danger of the Long Island Sound in winter. You will be truly on your own. The Sound can be treacherous. I have boated on the Sound from the East River, through the Race and on to ports in RI to Boston for over 50 years. I personally would wait until Spring. If you do go now, go alone so that you don’t put anyone else at risk. You don’t know the boat. Wait until you do.
I hear you, but can you be more specific? I'm trusting the captain, but maybe I shouldn't go with him?

A couple of posts back I gave my weather parameters. Even if those are met?
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I hear you, but can you be more specific? I'm trusting the captain, but maybe I shouldn't go?

A couple of posts back I gave my weather parameters. Even if those are met?
In our immediate area (about 10 miles) of LI sound besides all of the local work boats that would be available for both response and/or towing these are the agencies whos boat are pulled now for the season:
- All Suffolk county boats
- Nortport police
- Asharoken police
- Huntington police
- NY DEC boat

And CG stations are beginning be affected by the shutdown.
The Sound can have short period waves with confused seas that build quickly and is very changeable - any debri and/or ice is just more problematic.
a beautiful area to boat when warm and hen the weather is calmer but it can change quickly and not forgiving in the winter months.
At most marinas around here they could not even get the boat lifts to work in any reasonable period of time - if that were to become necessary.
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I bought a boat from a friend. It was in mint condition. Our first cruise was across the Sound from Westport CT to Port Jefferson NY. Distance of 15 miles. Halfway across a squall hit us. Winds clocked at 60 mph and waves to 5’. That day reports indicated numerous capsized boats and one death. We had no issues other than the loss of a canvas hatch cover. Lesson learned that the weather can change in minutes.

If you get into a rough weather situation you may not be able to deal with a simple filter change or hold your lunch down in a hot rolling engine room. You really need to shakedown this KK before you start risking your safety. If seas get dicey you can stir up dirt in your fuel tanks and shut down your engine. And if it does shutdown I can bet it will be at the worst possible time/place.

I’m not trying to be a “wet blanket,” just trying to apply some risk management.
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Think it's possible to wait for a forecast that allows one to know that a squall is 95% unlikely? Or can they pop up on the calmest of days in the winter?

I'm interested in the estimated risk, no wet blankets here. Life is risky but we can affect it quite a bit. No sense in senseless risk.
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I bought a boat from a friend. It was in mint condition. Our first cruise was across the Sound from Westport CT to Port Jefferson NY. Distance of 15 miles. Halfway across a squall hit us. Winds clocked at 60 mph and waves to 5í. That day reports indicated numerous capsized boats and one death. We had no issues other than the loss of a canvas hatch cover. Lesson learned that the weather can change in minutes.

If you get into a rough weather situation you may not be able to deal with a simple filter change or hold your lunch down in a hot rolling engine room. You really need to shakedown this KK before you start risking your safety. If seas get dicey you can stir up dirt in your fuel tanks and shut down your engine. And if it does shutdown I can bet it will be at the worst possible time/place.

Iím not trying to be a ďwet blanket,Ē just trying to apply some risk management.
Good advice. I carry plenty of spare tools, parts, etc, but no way do I think I can handle crawling into an engine room in bad seas and drain, remove, replace, prime, restart engine without getting sick or boat getting tossed around real good due to loss of power. My plan would likely be to drop anchor and call sea tow.
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They do? https://youtu.be/_C16ieMjg7k

I think you're the first person to suggest a dinghy. I was between a dinghy and a life raft and I think I'm going for the life raft. I don't plan on going in the water and if I do all hell has broken loose.
Its not even a question... a life raft over a dinghy... for life saving. The time it takes to deploy a dinghy counts and even if you pull it off, get the motor started, waves can way more easily overcome a dinghy. Personally, I'd have both a life raft and dinghy because I need the dinghy to get to shore from anchor/moorings.

You can rent a life raft from LSRE. They deliver in the tri-state area I think for $50. They also rent exposure suits and EPIRBs.
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Think it's possible to wait for a forecast that allows one to know that a squall is 95% unlikely? Or can they pop up on the calmest of days in the winter?

I'm interested in the estimated risk, no wet blankets here. Life is risky but we can affect it quite a bit. No sense in senseless risk.
"Life is risky but we can affect it quite a bit."
- new boat , unknown machinery
- no sea trail of merit
- unknown fuel condition
- no hull insurance
- no tow boats on water
- very limited LEO assets available
- virtually no rec boats monitoring radio or in sight
- cold 10X more risky then warm weather
- no reasonable need to move boat now
- unfamiliar with boats handling
- unknown cruise speeds and fuel burn
- unfamiliar with route and sea states

I am really not sure if there is any measurable reason to make the trip rather than prepare and wait.
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I hear you, but can you be more specific? I'm trusting the captain, but maybe I shouldn't go with him?

A couple of posts back I gave my weather parameters. Even if those are met?
I wouldnít trust the captain that is willing to take the risk. As Howard said LI Sound / BI sound / Point Jude / can get really snotty any time of year. Especially winter. Itís the boat that is the unknown and a prudent person / captain ways the risk.
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:24 AM   #59
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We just did that trip this summer on our way up from Savannah. The East River was exciting with all the water taxis. We took 2 days, starting from Sandy Hook, stopping in oyster Bay the first night, and pulled into the harbor of refuge the second day. We did 14 kts in a7.5kt boat going through the race. No waves to speak of that day.

I'll echo the fuel issue - clean it, have switchable racors, with vacuum gauges and a ton of filters, or run off a bladder.

Sea tow doesn't lock in for the first 30 days.

A good dingy to tow you, if needed. And, a well working anchor setup. Raise and lower it in the slip before you go.

Handheld vhf and gps - Independence from the boats unknown systems would be good.

Let's us know when you plan to make the trip! Good luck and if you're coming into point Judith, we'll come down to catch your lines and hand you a beer!
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“- new boat , unknown machinery
- no sea trail of merit
- unknown fuel condition
- no hull insurance
- no tow boats on water
- very limited LEO assets available
- virtually no rec boats monitoring radio or in sight
- cold 10X more risky then warm weather
- no reasonable need to move boat now
- unfamiliar with boats handling
- unknown cruise speeds and fuel burn
- unfamiliar with route and sea states”

Well said!
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